Topic: Merry Christmas
started by: hairhertz
Posted by hairhertz on Dec. 24 2013,3:35 pm
Wishing all members and readers of the AL Forum a Merry Christmas and Best Wishes for 2014.
Posted by Madd Max on Dec. 24 2013,5:51 pm
Merry Christmas 
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 24 2013,6:28 pm
Merry Christmas all
Posted by alcitizens on Dec. 25 2013,7:26 am
Happy Holidays..
Posted by irisheyes on Dec. 25 2013,7:46 am
Happy Festivus! Posted by Liberal on Dec. 26 2013,12:31 am
Do you conservatives feel sort of confused celebrating a poor unwed homeless woman with no visible signs of support having a baby with an absentee father? Not to mention that baby grew up to be a bit of a drifter that fell in with some shady characters and was eventually executed for being a criminal.What would Christian conservatives think of that situation today?
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 26 2013,4:46 am
Wow, at least you waited till 31 min. after Christmas was over to be an azzhole.
Posted by Liberal on Dec. 26 2013,12:39 pm
How is that being an a-hole? Its an honest question, how would you conservatives treat the Virgin Mary and Jesus if you met them today?
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 26 2013,5:37 pm
(Liberal @ Dec. 26 2013,12:39 pm)
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How is that being an a-hole? Its an honest question, how would you conservatives treat the Virgin Mary and Jesus if you met them today?
With our society? Probably the same way they were treated 2000+ years ago.
What I was implying is that it's a family day, a day that you spend with loved ones and you came off sounding like a total dick.
You really sound like you need to go fishing.
Posted by Moparman on Dec. 27 2013,8:08 pm
(Liberal @ Dec. 26 2013,12:31 am)
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Do you conservatives feel sort of confused celebrating a poor unwed homeless woman with no visible signs of support having a baby with an absentee father? Not to mention that baby grew up to be a bit of a drifter that fell in with some shady characters and was eventually executed for being a criminal.
What would Christian conservatives think of that situation today?
What would Christian conservatives think of that situation today?
Mary and Joseph were married, they were not homeless, they were traveling for the census, Joseph had a job as a carpenter, using this trade to support his family. He died on the job falling off a derrick. He was far from absent, he had a great influence on Jesus growing up.
Good grief! It probably the most referenced event in human history! I guess it's just easier to make stuff up to incite a reaction.
A drifter? I suppose being the son of God and a savior would require some travel.
Shady characters? Sure, they need saving more than anyone I suppose.
Crucified? We'll most of us know that story.
Posted by Santorini on Dec. 27 2013,10:35 pm
(Moparman @ Dec. 27 2013,8:08 pm)
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(Liberal @ Dec. 26 2013,12:31 am)
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Do you conservatives feel sort of confused celebrating a poor unwed homeless woman with no visible signs of support having a baby with an absentee father? Not to mention that baby grew up to be a bit of a drifter that fell in with some shady characters and was eventually executed for being a criminal.
What would Christian conservatives think of that situation today?
What would Christian conservatives think of that situation today?
Mary and Joseph were married, they were not homeless, they were traveling for the census, Joseph had a job as a carpenter, using this trade to support his family. He died on the job falling off a derrick. He was far from absent, he had a great influence on Jesus growing up.
Good grief! It probably the most referenced event in human history! I guess it's just easier to make stuff up to incite a reaction.
A drifter? I suppose being the son of God and a savior would require some travel.
Shady characters? Sure, they need saving more than anyone I suppose.
Crucified? We'll most of us know that story.
Posted by Liberal on Dec. 27 2013,10:59 pm
Luke 2:1-7King James Version (KJV)2 And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be taxed.2 (And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria.)3 And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city.4 And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David:)5 To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.6 And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered.7 And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.
What does espoused mean to you?
Posted by Liberal on Dec. 27 2013,11:14 pm
And I forgot to correct you about his father.It wasn't Joseph..
Posted by grassman on Dec. 27 2013,11:38 pm
I wonder why the people who try and throw the Christian Belief under the bus, don't figure out why things are so crazy? If you have no respect for anyone, what's the ending?
Posted by Liberal on Dec. 28 2013,12:04 am
How did I throw your beliefs under the bus? I just asked how you'd feel about that situation today?
Posted by Moparman on Dec. 28 2013,7:57 am
(Liberal @ Dec. 27 2013,10:59 pm)
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Luke 2:1-7
King James Version (KJV)2 And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be taxed.2 (And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria.)3 And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city.4 And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David:)5 To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.6 And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered.7 And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.
What does espoused mean to you?
King James Version (KJV)2 And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be taxed.2 (And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria.)3 And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city.4 And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David:)5 To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.6 And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered.7 And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.
What does espoused mean to you?
Um, it means to take up into marriage. Or the archaic definition, marry.
What do you think wife means?
Posted by Liberal on Dec. 28 2013,8:28 am
So you think they are calling Mary his "wife wife"? Or maybe his "married wife"? Or do you think they're using it in a different sense?QUOTE
Mathew 1:18
Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
Maybe all those years banging on it would have been better spent reading it.
Posted by MADDOG on Dec. 28 2013,9:53 am
(Liberal @ Dec. 26 2013,12:31 am)
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Do you conservatives feel sort of confused celebrating a poor unwed homeless woman with no visible signs of support having a baby with an absentee father? Not to mention that baby grew up to be a bit of a drifter that fell in with some shady characters and was eventually executed for being a criminal.
What would Christian conservatives think of that situation today?
What would Christian conservatives think of that situation today?
I don't know what 'conservatives' have to do with Christmas or Christianity. Leave it to you to blaspheme others beliefs because you have chosen not to believe. Yet you continuously blast posters here when they contribute their opinion on certain things and call it racism and bigotry. Even Alcitizen wished a happy holiday.
Mary be the way was not homeless she lived in Nazareth and was betrothed to Joseph to whom would dedicate himself to support her. He was a poor carpenter as can be seen in the scriptures but took care of his family. She was conceived by the Holy Spirit whom lives in each of us who ask and believe. All this was foretold by the prophets.
You call him having shady friends. Most of whom devoted their lives to him and He to them. He died to save them. Scorned by the peoples he came to save. But then He knew he had to for it was in God's plan.
Do you have a friend that would do that for you? No one has greater love than this, to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.
Executed for being a criminal?
There are several thoughts we as Christians could take. The road needed to go down though is to hope and pray that the scales fall from you on the road to Damascus.
Posted by Liberal on Dec. 28 2013,12:39 pm
So asking a question is blasphemous in your version of Christianity? Instead of looking goofy trying to pick apart my question why don't you just answer it, I'm sure you get the gist of it. My guess is that you just don't want to admit that you conservative Christians would probably require a drug test before helping them today. You've come a long way in 2000 years.
Posted by Moparman on Dec. 28 2013,5:23 pm
(Liberal @ Dec. 28 2013,8:28 am)
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So you think they are calling Mary his "wife wife"? Or maybe his "married wife"? Or do you think they're using it in a different sense?
Mathew 1:18
Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
Maybe all those years banging on it would have been better spent reading it.
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Mathew 1:18
Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
Maybe all those years banging on it would have been better spent reading it.
Ok, since your having trouble, Mary was Joseph's wife, the "before they came together" reference means the marriage was not consummated since Mary was a virgin and Joseph was a virtuous man at the time.
Keep reading...
Matthew 1:18-19
King James Version (KJV)
18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily.
So Joseph was her husband but Mary was not his wife, how exactly does that work?
I'm not banging it, but I do have enough reading comprehension to know what words like husband and wife mean.
Posted by Liberal on Dec. 28 2013,6:58 pm
No, the scripture your reading is referencing the past. He's referred to as her husband because he later became her husband. For example if I was to tell a story about your wife's first day of school and referenced you in it I would call you her husband. That wouldn't mean you were married and she wasn't, on her first day of school.Now about the espoused wife, just to be clear are you agreeing that it doesn't mean "wife wife" but that it means a wife where the marriage has not been consummated?
Posted by Moparman on Dec. 28 2013,10:00 pm
How can this be so difficult for you understand? Espoused means marry. es·pouse transitive verb \is-ˈpau̇z also -ˈpau̇s\
: to express support for (a cause, belief, etc.)
es·pousedes·pous·ing
Full Definition of ESPOUSE
1
: MARRY
2
: to take up and support as a cause : become attached to
— es·pous·er noun
Examples of ESPOUSE
The new theory has been espoused by many leading physicists.
Those espousing unpopular views were often excluded.
Origin of ESPOUSE
Middle English, from Anglo-French espuser, from Late Latin sponsare to betroth, from Latin sponsus betrothed — more at spouse
First Known Use: 15th century
Related to ESPOUSE
Synonyms
marry, match, wed
Antonyms
divorce
RELATED Words
commit, engage; affiance, betroth, pledge, promise
No, it's not referring to the past. BEING her husband is not the same as going to be her husband.
Posted by Liberal on Dec. 28 2013,11:23 pm
Espoused wife means pledged or betrothed.. Unless you believe they are referring to Mary as his "married wife" or "wife wife" when she is called his "espoused wife".I can't help you out on the husband thing, it's apparently a reading comprehension thing, because the verse you mention is prior to the verse referencing the angel's chat with Joseph and Joseph waking up and deciding to marry her.
Here is the larger part of the NIV and you can see at the point they call him her husband it would be chronologically impossible because the sentence prior to it sets the time frame by saying that after she was pledged to Joseph but before they came together he found out she was pregnant. Also you might notice the the KJV uses espoused in the verse and the NIV uses "pledged to be married to" in place of the word espoused.
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This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit. Because Joseph her husband was a righteous man and did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly. But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, "Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins (Matthew 1:18-21 NIV)
Posted by Botto 82 on Dec. 29 2013,4:36 am
"Wife wife." That made me laugh. Thanks.
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 29 2013,10:14 am
Jeezus Double H, you sure opened a big can 'o worms!
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 30 2013,2:09 pm
A picture is worth a thousand words ( Catholic Priest dressed in red )
Posted by Moparman on Jan. 01 2014,6:32 pm
(Liberal @ Dec. 28 2013,11:23 pm)
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Espoused wife means pledged or betrothed.. Unless you believe they are referring to Mary as his "married wife" or "wife wife" when she is called his "espoused wife".
I can't help you out on the husband thing, it's apparently a reading comprehension thing, because the verse you mention is prior to the verse referencing the angel's chat with Joseph and Joseph waking up and deciding to marry her.
Here is the larger part of the NIV and you can see at the point they call him her husband it would be chronologically impossible because the sentence prior to it sets the time frame by saying that after she was pledged to Joseph but before they came together he found out she was pregnant. Also you might notice the the KJV uses espoused in the verse and the NIV uses "pledged to be married to" in place of the word espoused.
I can't help you out on the husband thing, it's apparently a reading comprehension thing, because the verse you mention is prior to the verse referencing the angel's chat with Joseph and Joseph waking up and deciding to marry her.
Here is the larger part of the NIV and you can see at the point they call him her husband it would be chronologically impossible because the sentence prior to it sets the time frame by saying that after she was pledged to Joseph but before they came together he found out she was pregnant. Also you might notice the the KJV uses espoused in the verse and the NIV uses "pledged to be married to" in place of the word espoused.
It is really to bad you still don't get it. Whatever twisted logic you try to use you were wrong on your description. Even if you still believe Joseph was not Mary's husband he was still totally committed to her. They were not homeless. Joseph had means to support his family,and he was far from an absent parent. I know these comments were made to upset all of the "bible thumpers" during Christmas, and that is really just sad.
As good old Spongebob said "Don't be a jerrrrk, it's Christmas".