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Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 03 2014,7:57 am

The city of Seattle approved a $15 an hour minimum wage, wow :dunce:

< http://money.cnn.com/2014/06/02/news/economy/seattle-minimum-wage/ >

Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 03 2014,3:05 pm

:thumbsup:Go Seattle
there will be a move by the right to crush Seattle!

< http://www.ibew.org/articles/13daily/1307/130730_minimumwage.htm >

Posted by pepi-lapew on Jun. 03 2014,3:46 pm

There isnt any body on GODS green earth worth $15.00 a hour to flip burgers at a fast food joint. They will put in self servings Kiosks, for people to order from. Or they will close down.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 03 2014,4:09 pm

(pepi-lapew @ Jun. 03 2014,3:46 pm)

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There isnt any body on GODS green earth worth $15.00 a hour to flip burgers at a fast food joint. They will put in self servings Kiosks, for people to order from. Or they will close down.

Oh I don't know about that,
I've heard Expat' pretty good!

Posted by grassman on Jun. 03 2014,4:30 pm

(pepi-lapew @ Jun. 03 2014,3:46 pm)

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There isnt any body on GODS green earth worth $15.00 a hour to flip burgers at a fast food joint. They will put in self servings Kiosks, for people to order from. Or they will close down.

Remember where you live, that kind of thinking was rubbed into you.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 03 2014,4:36 pm

Pepi does have a point, make labor too expensive and mechanization will become the solution. Any doubts about that?

Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 03 2014,5:03 pm

Twenty years ago McDonalds CEO's compensation was about 230 times that of a full-time worker paid the federal minimum wage, the $8.75 million McDonalds CEO made last year was 580 times, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.
the average worker in this country is being hosed! fight back, kick the 1% in the ass! Vote the Republicans into extinction!

< http://www.bloomberg.com/news...ap.html >

Posted by This is my real name on Jun. 03 2014,5:04 pm

(Self-Banished @ Jun. 03 2014,4:36 pm)

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Pepi does have a point, make labor too expensive and mechanization will become the solution. Any doubts about that?

This will absolutely be a job-killing measure. Business owners are going to have to reduce labor to stay profitable.

I read the article earlier today. I think it said it would first affect businesses with $500,000 or more in sales annually. The problem is that it doesn't take into account that that amount of sales doesn't mean that much PROFIT. What if it's paying for leased equipment, building expenses, or other costs not associated with payroll? It's too simplistic of an approach.

The larger Wall Street companies that are demonized will be able to weather this, but will make cuts where needed. There is no law yet that states how many hours they have to give each employee.

This is going to hurt the mom-and-pop businesses - the kind of businesses that make up Main Street.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 03 2014,7:57 pm

(Expatriate @ Jun. 03 2014,5:03 pm)

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Guess you should have stayed in school then :laugh:

You jealousy is pathetic, maybe these people are smarter than you, had a better education, sacrificed more, worked harder, took more risks and in some cases, just luckier than you. Just because they have more you seem to think they're evil. You say you have a house that's paid for, there are many people in this country that don't have that and might even think you don't deserve what you have, are they wrong? Is it wrong that you might have more than the homeless person holding up a piece of cardboard at an intersection? How much more do you have than them?

Posted by Common Citizen on Jun. 03 2014,11:51 pm

(Expatriate @ Jun. 03 2014,3:05 pm)

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:thumbsup:Go Seattle
there will be a move by the right to crush Seattle!

< http://www.ibew.org/articles/13daily/1307/130730_minimumwage.htm >

Showing your true colors.

What's disturbing is not the amount a worker is paid, who voluntarily applied for the job based on the agreed amount when they initially sought employment, but an outsider with no skin in the game who bitches about how a stranger spends their OWN money on their OWN business. I don't care if it's a Fortune 500 company or a mom and pop on the corner of Main and Broadway. It's none of your business.

Piss off expat.

...nuff said.

Posted by grassman on Jun. 04 2014,6:30 am

Doesn't Wallstreet dictate what we will pay for gas? That's ok though right? I would say outside forces are at work in just about everything that effects us.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 04 2014,7:24 am

^^^no, that would be market forces.

Posted by MADDOG on Jun. 04 2014,8:14 am

(Expatriate @ Jun. 03 2014,5:03 pm)

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A heart at peace gives life to the body, but envy rots the bones.

Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 04 2014,3:42 pm

All you dingbat wingers are the same ones who whine about food stamps, people not paying tax, people getting earned income credit, people on welfare, you complain about the welfare state without end, Seattle has come up with a living wage that will eliminate this tax burden, the Nation should follow their example!

A car salesman, an insurance salesman, a commerce trucker would all see the boon to local and national economies with a living wage!
According to an analysis conducted by the Economic Policy Institute, raising the minimum wage will increase the gross domestic product as workers spend their raises in their local businesses and communities, this economic activity in turn will generate new jobs!

Here’s a chance to end the Welfare State, to close prisons rather then build them!
But what will stand in the way of this progressive policy, the party of NO already whines! Vote the Republicans into extinction!

Posted by MADDOG on Jun. 04 2014,3:51 pm

There is no whine from me. With all that money, the city will be able to buy their own shovels.

Posted by Botto 82 on Jun. 04 2014,4:24 pm

(Self-Banished @ Jun. 04 2014,7:24 am)

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^^^no, that would be market forces.

Market forces. Pffft. It's a nice myth, but that's all it is. Everything is buggered by special (central banking) interests, now. It's been a poopstorm ever since 1913. Clinton's repeal of Glass-Steagall didn't help. Lehman and Goldman-Sachs and all the others would be feet up by now if your increasingly hypothetical "market forces" were actually allowed to play out. Instead, they shoot craps with trillions, and yet the American taxpayer is on the hook when they lose. And they did lose. Big. And not one of those mother frakkers went to jail. Sure, there was a Tom Petters here, and a Bernie Madoff there, just to make it look like somebody somewhere was trying to something something justice-y, and then the next news cycle happens, and it's as dead as the Chandra Levy story.

Nobody who is making money right here, right now, really cares, as they figure they'll be dead before the whole shooting match collapses in on itself. Our grandchildren are gonna love that crap.

Posted by Liberal on Jun. 04 2014,5:43 pm

The sky is falling, the sky is falling.

Posted by grassman on Jun. 04 2014,8:40 pm

What is the ratio of increase in the price of a Big Mac and the rise in the wages of the employee? This will tell the story. I remember back in early 70's or late 60's when McDonalds come to town. A BIG Mac, fries, and a coke was $.99.

Posted by alcitizens on Jun. 04 2014,9:03 pm

I remember the days when we would smoke a joint, snarf on McDonalds, hook up and get naked playing strip poker..

I am so dam'd.. :rofl:

Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 05 2014,4:45 am

(grassman @ Jun. 04 2014,8:40 pm)

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Well I don't know what the Big Mac ratio is but if I were a landlord in Seattle and I had min wage workers living in my dwellings I'd probably get away with raising rents
Everything will go up.

Posted by grassman on Jun. 05 2014,5:57 am

And the part of the greedy slumlord is played by SB! :rofl:

Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 05 2014,6:18 am

^^I believe that would be "opportunistic capitalist"

Posted by Botto 82 on Jun. 05 2014,6:30 am

When the price of a Big Mac doubles, and wage growth is stagnant, this happens:

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Federal welfare spending has grown by 32 percent over the past four years, fattened by President Obama’s stimulus spending and swelled by a growing number of Americans whose recession-depleted incomes now qualify them for public assistance, according to numbers released Thursday.

Federal spending on more than 80 low-income assistance programs reached $746 billion in 2011, and state spending on those programs brought the total to $1.03 trillion, according to figures from the Congressional Research Service and the Senate Budget Committee.

< WashTimes Article >

That was almost two years ago. Does anyone here imagine that this situation has improved since then?

There is no free market checks-and-balances system when the government steps in and makes up the difference. And since the middle class typically doesn't qualify for such handouts, they bear the brunt of higher prices for everything.

Add to that the soon-ending Fed program of Quantitative Easing, and the interest rate spike that is soon to follow, and it's not exactly a rosy picture. Keep in mind that the Fed almost always either underreacts or overreacts when they try to correct the market.

But then again, nevermind. I forgot that anyone who thinks Obama isn't all over this problem is crazy. :crazy:

Sorry I blew up. Carry on, nothing to see, here. We now return you to your regularly-scheduled bread and/or circuses...

Posted by Liberal on Jun. 05 2014,7:11 am

So you're speculating that it's worse? You do know about this thing called Google, right?

< http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/spendin...g_Chart >

As far as interest rates rising it will be a good thing for some of us.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 05 2014,8:01 am

(Liberal @ Jun. 05 2014,7:11 am)

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As far as interest rates rising it will be a good thing for some of us.

Most likely very few, America has been living off there credit cards for a long time now, when the interest spike hits there's going to be a lot of squealing.

Plus the housing market will tank again.
Which is good for some of us. :thumbsup:

Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 05 2014,8:16 am

(Botto 82 @ Jun. 05 2014,6:30 am)

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When the price of a Big Mac doubles, and wage growth is stagnant, this happens:

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Sorry I blew up. Carry on, nothing to see, here. We now return you to your regularly-scheduled bread and/or circuses...

Don't apologize, you're spot on.
Just wait for the EPA to unleash their wrath, the middle class shall surely suffer.

Posted by Common Citizen on Jun. 06 2014,12:02 am

(grassman @ Jun. 04 2014,6:30 am)

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Doesn't Wallstreet dictate what we will pay for gas? That's ok though right? I would say outside forces are at work in just about everything that effects us.

Where on wall street does this happen?
< My Webpage >

Posted by Common Citizen on Jun. 06 2014,12:05 am

(Expatriate @ Jun. 04 2014,3:42 pm)

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According to an analysis conducted by the Economic Policy Institute, raising the minimum wage will increase the gross domestic product as workers spend their raises in their local businesses and communities, this economic activity in turn will generate new jobs!

With that theory...just think what giving everyone a million dollars would do. :dunce:

Posted by grassman on Jun. 06 2014,6:33 am

(Common Citizen @ Jun. 06 2014,12:02 am)

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(grassman @ Jun. 04 2014,6:30 am)

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Doesn't Wallstreet dictate what we will pay for gas? That's ok though right? I would say outside forces are at work in just about everything that effects us.

Where on wall street does this happen?
< My Webpage >

That's what wallstreet is, people making money off nothing. The price of gas would go down huge if every time someone bought the stock, a truck showed up up and asked where to put their product.

Posted by Glad I Left on Jun. 06 2014,8:09 am

(grassman @ Jun. 06 2014,6:33 am)

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(Common Citizen @ Jun. 06 2014,12:02 am)

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(grassman @ Jun. 04 2014,6:30 am)

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Doesn't Wallstreet dictate what we will pay for gas? That's ok though right? I would say outside forces are at work in just about everything that effects us.

Where on wall street does this happen?
< My Webpage >

That's what wallstreet is, people making money off nothing. The price of gas would go down huge if every time someone bought the stock, a truck showed up up and asked where to put their product.

I think you are confusing buying stock with speculating.
I know Bill O'Reilly was a proponent for speculators having to take ownership of something like 30% of what ever they buy, instead of just paper ownership. They needed to take physical inventory.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 06 2014,11:07 am

So we should have a big pile of gold, silver or currency in our homes for retirement?

Posted by Glad I Left on Jun. 06 2014,11:35 am

As I recall this was a few years ago during his 'war on gas prices' phase. He wanted oil speculator to take ownership of 30% (or something like that). He had some big long winded reason for it too.

Posted by grassman on Jun. 06 2014,6:14 pm

(Self-Banished @ Jun. 06 2014,11:07 am)

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So we should have a big pile of gold, silver or currency in our homes for retirement?

Sure, I have a nice long needlenose pliers, got any caps? Come on over and have a home brew,(or two).

You will have to excuse my boldness, I don't have the same cover as the banking and wallstreet system does.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 07 2014,5:25 am

^^^ While I appreciate the offer, I don't drink. You will clean the needle nose with gas and a wire brush first, right?

Posted by Botto 82 on Jun. 07 2014,8:35 am

Debt is the new money, now.

Posted by Liberal on Jun. 07 2014,10:35 am

< http://www.politicususa.com/2013...nt.html >

They were running a surplus at the time only because they had just gotten into office and hadn't had a chance to start any wars yet.

Posted by Botto 82 on Jun. 07 2014,10:57 am

No matter the party of the Crook in Chief, this is how we do business now:

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John Perkins describes himself as a former economic hit man–a highly paid professional who cheated countries around the globe out of trillions of dollars.

20 years ago Perkins began writing a book with the working title, "Conscience of an Economic Hit Men."

Perkins writes, "The book was to be dedicated to the presidents of two countries, men who had been his clients whom I respected and thought of as kindred spirits–Jaime Roldós, president of Ecuador, and Omar Torrijos, president of Panama. Both had just died in fiery crashes. Their deaths were not accidental. They were assassinated because they opposed that fraternity of corporate, government, and banking heads whose goal is global empire. We Economic Hit Men failed to bring Roldós and Torrijos around, and the other type of hit men, the CIA-sanctioned jackals who were always right behind us, stepped in.

Makes you wonder who the real terrorists are, doesn't it?

Posted by alcitizens on Jun. 08 2014,10:51 pm

The more money people make, the richer and safer the community they live in.. Example: Detroit

Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 10 2014,1:23 pm

Seattle is Right

Thursday, June 5, 2014
By raising its minimum wage to $15, Seattle is leading a long-overdue movement toward a living wage. Most minimum wage workers aren’t teenagers these days. They’re major breadwinners who need a higher minimum wage in order to keep their families out of poverty.

Across America, the ranks of the working poor are growing. While low-paying industries such as retail and food preparation accounted for 22 percent of the jobs lost in the Great Recession, they’ve generated 44 percent of the jobs added since then, according to a recent report from the National Employment Law Project. Last February, the Congressional Budget Office estimated that raising the national minimum wage from $7.25 to $10.10 would lift 900,000 people out of poverty.

Seattle estimates almost a fourth of its workers now earn below $15 an hour. That translates into about $31,000 a year for a full-time worker. In a high-cost city like Seattle, that’s barely enough to support a family.

The gains from a higher minimum wage extend beyond those who receive it. More money in the pockets of low-wage workers means more sales, especially in the locales they live in – which in turn creates faster growth and more jobs. A major reason the current economic recovery is anemic is that so many Americans lack the purchasing power to get the economy moving again.

With a higher minimum wage, moreover, we’d all end up paying less for Medicaid, food stamps and other assistance the working poor now need in order to have a minimally decent standard of living.

Some worry about job losses accompanying a higher minimum wage. I wouldn’t advise any place to raise its minimum wage immediately from the current federal minimum of $7.25 an hour to $15. That would be too big a leap all at once. Employers – especially small ones – need time to adapt.

But this isn’t what Seattle is doing. It’s raising its minimum from $9.32 (Washington State’s current statewide minimum) to $15 incrementally over several years. Large employers (with over 500 workers) that don’t offer employer-sponsored health insurance have three years to comply; those that offer health insurance have four; smaller employers, up to seven. (That may be too long a phase-in.)

My guess is Seattle’s businesses will adapt without any net loss of employment. Seattle’s employers will also have more employees to choose from – as the $15 minimum attracts into the labor force some people who otherwise haven’t been interested. That means they’ll end up with workers who are highly reliable and likely to stay longer, resulting in real savings.

Research by Michael Reich (no relation) and Arindrajit Dube confirms these results. They examined employment in several hundred pairs of adjacent counties lying on opposite sides of state borders, each with different minimum wages, and found no statistically significant increase in unemployment in the higher-minimum counties, even after four years. (Other researchers who found contrary results failed to control for counties where unemployment was already growing before the minimum wage was increased.) They also found that employee turnover was lower where the minimum was higher.

Not every city or state can meet the bar Seattle has just set. But many can – and should.

~Robert Reich

Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 10 2014,5:05 pm

^^*oh hell! why not? :sarcasm:

I could use a 100% raise, so could my wife! for that matter my son and daughter too. Let's give everybody a raise.

And maybe if we're lucky, everything will cost the same :dunce:

Posted by Moparman on Jun. 10 2014,6:13 pm

Costs have been skyrocketing for years while wages have remained stagnant so your point is pretty much mute.....

Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 11 2014,4:56 am

^^^how's that? I agreed, let's give everyone that big raise, I'll make even more money
(Moving what business are left out of the country)

Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 11 2014,5:00 am

(Moparman @ Jun. 10 2014,6:13 pm)

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Costs have been skyrocketing for years

Cost's are skyrocketing?
You ain't seen nutt'n yet

Posted by Moparman on Jun. 14 2014,10:55 pm

Ok, chicken little! :rofl:

Here is a concept: How about managing/modifying your business model? If they choose to price themselves out of business so be it, someone else more capable will come in and open up shop if the demand is there. In Seattle they have SEVEN years until this increase is fully phased in. If a business cannot figure it out in that time frame it's probably time to step aside and let the ones who can step up.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 15 2014,8:12 am

^^^so what you're saying is you believe in social engineering, that government knows best. But then in another breath you say that only the fittest survive.

You post like a kid with a magnifying glass standing over an ant hill playing God. Someone in business gets too big, too good and you think they should be taken down a notch.

When's the last time you started a business or even owed one? And I'm not taking about working on your parents farm.

I manage and modify my business almost daily.

Posted by Botto 82 on Jun. 15 2014,10:26 am

(Self-Banished @ Jun. 15 2014,8:12 am)

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Someone in business gets too big, too good and you think they should be taken down a notch.

I don't mean to speak for Moparman, as I'm sure he has his own stance on this, but just for a moment, let's take a look at government, specifically who's interests it's supposed to protect. Do you honestly think it's multibillon-dollar corporations, or the citizens of this country?

Clearly, when the best interests of Boeing, General Dynamics, Lockheed, Raytheon and others dictate foreign policy, when the best interests of J.P. Morgan Chase, Bank of America, Goldman Sachs and their ilk derail us from sensible monetary policy, not to mention that they can nearly destroy the economy without consequence, you have to ask yourself, who is our government working for?

I don't really care how big a company gets, so long as our government adheres to an across-the-board equal application of the law. Otherwise, we find ourselves at this chaotic juncture.

Get the money out of politics. Is that so hard?

Posted by hairhertz on Jun. 15 2014,11:50 am

Botto, thanks for saying what a lot of us feel about our economy. Some may be drinking the "kool-aid" but others are sipping just as much "lemonade." It would be wonderful if there was some sort of middle ground. :soapbox:

Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 16 2014,5:55 am

(Botto 82 @ Jun. 15 2014,10:26 am)

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(Self-Banished @ Jun. 15 2014,8:12 am)

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Someone in business gets too big, too good and you think they should be taken down a notch.

I agree, let's get the money out of politics but let's also get lifelong politicions out of office, this also is a big part of the problems we have today. I'd like to say term limits but that would not be of the peoples right to freely elect. I would though like severe limits on past polititions joining lobbying groups.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 16 2014,5:57 am

(Moparman @ Jun. 14 2014,10:55 pm)

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Ok, chicken little! :rofl:

Been to the grocery store lately? :dunce:

Posted by Moparman on Jun. 17 2014,7:30 pm

(Self-Banished @ Jun. 15 2014,8:12 am)

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I never said govt how's best. I just think it's sad that they have to step in because most business models seem it think it's sustainable to keep raising prices without increasing payroll. It's just all coming to a head.

And yes I do believe they need to be taken down a notch instead of receiving bailouts, handing out huge bonuses for poor performance, outsourcing their work to other countries, or buying politicians.

And I wouldn't call deciding to turn right or left at the next stop sign " modifying your business on a daily basis"... :rofl:

Posted by Moparman on Jun. 17 2014,7:35 pm

(Self-Banished @ Jun. 16 2014,5:57 am)

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(Moparman @ Jun. 14 2014,10:55 pm)

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Ok, chicken little! :rofl:

Been to the grocery store lately? :dunce:

Yes I have, I didn't realize the grocery stores around here we're paying $15 bucks an hour :dunce:

.... Oh that's right they don't, must be more of that "pass it along" mentality.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 18 2014,4:20 am

(Moparman @ Jun. 17 2014,7:35 pm)

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(Self-Banished @ Jun. 16 2014,5:57 am)

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(Moparman @ Jun. 14 2014,10:55 pm)

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Ok, chicken little! :rofl:

Been to the grocery store lately? :dunce:

Yes I have, I didn't realize the grocery stores around here we're paying $15 bucks an hour :dunce:

... Oh that's right they don't, must be more of that "pass it along" mentality.

I meant inflation, sorry for the misunderstanding.

< http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news...gh.html >

But while we're at it, stocking shelves and ringing up groceries is worth what the market will bear, nothing more.

Posted by Moparman on Jun. 28 2014,8:22 pm

Better skip the salad also:

< http://www.latimes.com/busines...ry.html >

The term "what the market will bear" goes hand and hand with " living wage" neither can really be quantified.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 29 2014,2:42 am

^^^yep, ain't it a bitch???

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 07 2014,8:58 pm

So here we are in Stillwater where a restaurant has line-itemed in the actual cost of the minimum wage increase.

< http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story...onflict >

Posted by grassman on Aug. 08 2014,7:19 am

I would not go back. That is plain chicken chit. or should I say bullchit! Maybe I should start adding an insurance fee, a tire fee, a gas fee, clothes fee,and etc. :sarcasm:

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 08 2014,7:36 am

(grassman @ Aug. 08 2014,7:19 am)

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I would not go back. That is plain chicken chit. or should I say bullchit! Maybe I should start adding an insurance fee, a tire fee, a gas fee, clothes fee,and etc. :sarcasm:

Wow, I guess the truth stings a bit. The restaraunt was only being truthful, raising the wage costs money. They could have been like most other places and just rewrite the menu and work it in but I see they took a stand, good for them. I heard that Gov. Spineless thought it was tacky, f##k him! Typical for a socialist like him.

Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 08 2014,8:43 am

G-man, the owner explained himself. Can you really find fault with his actions? I mean really, do you honestly think the different in gross isn't going to make a difference on the profit/loss statement?

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Oasis Cafe responded on Facebook, confirming the increase in labor cost has to be offset by an increase in revenue in order for the restaurant to profit.

With regards to why we're charging a $.35 fee to cover the recent $.75 increase in minimum wage…we estimate the increase in labor cost will cost our company more than $10,000 per year…which has to be offset by an increase in revenue in order to operate profitably. Rather than increase the prices of our menu items, we chose to charge a flat fee. If the state of Minnesota would pass tip credit, like 43 other states have done, none of this would be necessary. For what it's worth, we pay our people very well. Our dishwashers start at $10/hour, our cooks start at $12/hour and our servers average more than $20 when you consider what they earn in tips.

Here's a bit more to boil your bottoms, you sons of a silly person.

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At least one other restaurant has taken similar measures in light of the minimum wage increase.

Blue Plate Co., a Twin Cities-based company that owns eight restaurants, has increased prices and has begun to charge its servers when a customer uses a credit card to tip them. < Twincities.com >

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 08 2014,9:11 am

I think my wife and I will be making plans for breakfast there this weekend :thumbsup:

Posted by Liberal on Aug. 08 2014,12:26 pm

My wife picked me up some Kentucky Fried chicken this week and the kid there told her the price of chicken went up because Minnesota raised the minimum wage. Even if that's the case I'm cool with paying a little more if it will get working people out of poverty.

It seems you republicans would rather see them living in poverty, getting public assistance and have them beholden to the government.

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 08 2014,4:21 pm

One can lift themselves out of poverty, all that one has to do is try. :thumbsup:

Stop eating the Kentucky fat injected chicken

Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 08 2014,4:24 pm

(Liberal @ Aug. 08 2014,12:26 pm)

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Even if that's the case I'm cool with paying a little more if it will get working people out of poverty.

And with you paying a little more, how is that going to affect you? Is it going to cause you to eat out less often, leave a smaller tip or put less money into savings? Will you spent less on something else or go with out that can of ice tea? Buy something generic instead of name brand? What adjustment will you make?

For every action, there has to be an equal and opposite reaction. Believe it or not, some liberals think money grows on a government sponsored tree.

Posted by Liberal on Aug. 08 2014,11:56 pm

I don't know, maybe I'll have to stick with my Galaxy S4 a litlle longer, or hold off on buying a PS4 for a couple weeks longer. Or maybe I'll even have to quit buying coral for my reef tank for a couple weeks. :sarcasm:

Seriously, I don't think the increase in minimum wage will have any effect on my spending habits.

See the difference in me and you is I would gladly go without that can of tea to lift 5 million people out of poverty, you on the other hand would rather have the can of tea for yourself while heading to church on Sunday

Posted by grassman on Aug. 09 2014,8:05 am

Wages need to stay low so the provider can stay profitable? What about oil. Find the profit line on it and figure that one out. That right there is what is keeping most people in the hole.

Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 09 2014,8:36 am

(Liberal @ Aug. 08 2014,11:56 pm)

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See the difference in me and you is I would gladly go without that can of tea to lift 5 million people out of poverty, you on the other hand would rather have the can of tea for yourself while heading to church on Sunday

That's where you assume again.

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 09 2014,9:51 am

(grassman @ Aug. 09 2014,8:05 am)

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Wages need to stay low so the provider can stay profitable? What about oil. Find the profit line on it and figure that one out. That right there is what is keeping most people in the hole.

Again, and probably not for the last time, what's wrong with profit?

Posted by grassman on Aug. 09 2014,4:31 pm

(Self-Banished @ Aug. 09 2014,9:51 am)

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(grassman @ Aug. 09 2014,8:05 am)

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Wages need to stay low so the provider can stay profitable? What about oil. Find the profit line on it and figure that one out. That right there is what is keeping most people in the hole.

Again, and probably not for the last time, what's wrong with profit?

You tell me.
Profitability at $100/barrel oil
Nation Break-Even Price Profitability
Kuwait 17 488%
U.A.E. 25 300%
Saudi Arabia 30 233%
Qatar 30 233%
Canada's oil sands 33 203%
Bahrain 40 150%
Oman 40 150%

These are 2008 figures.

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 10 2014,5:55 am

(grassman @ Aug. 09 2014,4:31 pm)

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(Self-Banished @ Aug. 09 2014,9:51 am)

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(grassman @ Aug. 09 2014,8:05 am)

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Wages need to stay low so the provider can stay profitable? What about oil. Find the profit line on it and figure that one out. That right there is what is keeping most people in the hole.

Again, and probably not for the last time, what's wrong with profit?

Wow, that's evil, you probably shouldn't buy it then.

Posted by grassman on Aug. 10 2014,7:57 am

(Self-Banished @ Aug. 10 2014,5:55 am)

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(grassman @ Aug. 09 2014,4:31 pm)

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(Self-Banished @ Aug. 09 2014,9:51 am)

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(grassman @ Aug. 09 2014,8:05 am)

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Wages need to stay low so the provider can stay profitable? What about oil. Find the profit line on it and figure that one out. That right there is what is keeping most people in the hole.

Again, and probably not for the last time, what's wrong with profit?

Wow, that's evil, you probably shouldn't buy it then.

Unlike diamonds and gold, fuel is a necessity.

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 10 2014,8:35 am

Sez who?
You do not need to drive a car, you do not have to live in an area that's so cold as to require fuel to heat(if you do you can burn wood you gather yourself) etc, etc,etc...

This comment you've made reminds me of the deadbeats in Detroit who are bitchin' because their water got turned off, they think it's a right to have water delivered to them via pipe and sanitized.

Posted by grassman on Aug. 10 2014,4:16 pm

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 10 2014,8:35 pm

Awe, did I hurt your feelings?

Posted by grassman on Aug. 11 2014,6:33 am

How many times have you said that you roll the added expenses down the line. Are you foolish or just talking chit?!

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 11 2014,7:15 am

^^many times I've advocated adjusting costs to bottom line profit and yet you either don't get it or fail to comprehend.

It comes down to "I owe you nothing, you owe me nothing" unless we enter into a contract either written or verbal. Now you're coming up with energy is a right, WTF?

Posted by grassman on Aug. 11 2014,7:24 am

(Self-Banished @ Aug. 11 2014,7:15 am)

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Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 11 2014,7:57 am

Now see what you've done? Forced me to use the new one...

Posted by Glad I Left on Aug. 11 2014,7:59 am

I go through Stillwater quite a bit... maybe I'll stop by next time for lunch...

< Minnimum Wage Fee >

Posted by grassman on Aug. 11 2014,8:45 am

(Self-Banished @ Aug. 11 2014,7:57 am)

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Now see what you've done? Forced me to use the new one...

I would say this one sums it up better for you.

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 11 2014,8:47 am

(Glad I Left @ Aug. 11 2014,7:59 am)

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I go through Stillwater quite a bit... maybe I'll stop by next time for lunch...

< Minnimum Wage Fee >

Cool, I was going to do breakfast there Sunday but plans changed,
A review would be nice. :thumbsup:

Posted by grassman on Aug. 12 2014,9:29 pm

(grassman @ Aug. 11 2014,8:45 am)

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(Self-Banished @ Aug. 11 2014,7:57 am)

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Now see what you've done? Forced me to use the new one...

I would say this one sums it up better for you.

Aaaah, did I hurt your feelings? :;):

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 13 2014,4:52 am

^^^not really! I've been enjoying the exchange immensely.

I realize that trying to get progressives like youself change your thinking (as moronic as it is)is like trying to shave a cat.

Posted by grassman on Aug. 13 2014,7:16 am

Posted by Chunk_Ofgold on Aug. 13 2014,6:29 pm

fifteen dollars an hour isn't that much money in seattle

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 14 2014,5:31 am

(grassman @ Aug. 13 2014,7:16 am)

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Posted by stardust17 on Aug. 15 2014,2:14 am

So much of the cheap garbage consumers inhale comes from workers overseas making cents/hr. With all those blood dollars saved consumers can afford american luxury items like Big Macs.

Western feudal capitalism generally outsources slavery/wage slavery. But exceptions exist.

Braindead american taxpayers subsidize feudal lords in many ways, the least not being their tax dollars being used to support low-payed workers of Fortune 500 corporations.

Free market, my ass. Capitalize the profits, socialize the losses. A scam not relegated to only 80 yr old widows.

Posted by Common Citizen on Aug. 15 2014,5:32 pm

(stardust17 @ Aug. 15 2014,2:14 am)

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You should try reading the headlines on the Drudge Report as fast as you can and then go out and enjoy an ice cream cone. :popcorn:

Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 16 2014,12:13 pm

Posted by alcitizens on Aug. 16 2014,2:24 pm

(stardust17 @ Aug. 15 2014,2:14 am)

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We will always be a part of a Global Economy..

The poor in America live like millionaires because of the poor around the world..

Posted by Moparman on Aug. 16 2014,4:04 pm

(Self-Banished @ Aug. 11 2014,8:47 am)

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I go through Stillwater quite a bit... maybe I'll stop by next time for lunch...

< Minnimum Wage Fee >

Cool, I was going to do breakfast there Sunday but plans changed,
A review would be nice. :thumbsup:

I'm guessing it's not very good since the owner claims the restaurant lost money last year even with low wages. I guess this publicity stunt is a last ditch effort to save his " money pit". I must be working as long as there suckers who will fall for this.
Let me guess your gonna stiff your server on a tip because they are rolling in the green now.... :dunce:

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 16 2014,5:17 pm

(Moparman @ Aug. 16 2014,4:04 pm)

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Let me guess your gonna stiff your server on a tip because they are rolling in the green now... :dunce:

Most likely, someone like you leaves a buck and/or possibly some silver on the table and walks away strutting like JP Morgan ala Walter Mitty thinking you've impressed the waitress.(hint, this is not nesscesary in Burger King) I on the other hand tip 15-25% depending on how good service was.

Piss poor try forklift boy :dunce:

Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 17 2014,7:07 am

(Self-Banished @ Aug. 16 2014,5:17 pm)

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(Moparman @ Aug. 16 2014,4:04 pm)

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Let me guess your gonna stiff your server on a tip because they are rolling in the green now... :dunce:

Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 17 2014,9:50 am

A Used Car Salesman and a Scab Trucker, yeah I bet you two lowlifes are big tippers! If you’re so gratuitous with your tips why are you on here whining about earned wages.

Everyone who works should have a living wage, taxpayers shouldn’t have to subsidies Corporate payrolls!

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 17 2014,10:40 am

(Expatriate @ Aug. 17 2014,9:50 am)

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If you’re so gratuitous with your tips why are you on here whining about earned wages.

Because when I tip it's because I choose to, do you know what free will is??
And when I tip well, it's because (now get ready for this, it's a totally foreign concept to a union worker) THEY HAVE EARNED IT!!!

My god you're a dumbass :dunce:

Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 17 2014,10:45 am

they also deserve a living wage

what you deserve scab is something else

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 17 2014,11:08 am

(Expatriate @ Aug. 17 2014,10:45 am)

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they also deserve a living wage

what you deserve scab is something else

Tell me, what is a "living wage"? How much?

The other question is, what is it you think I deserve?

Posted by Botto 82 on Aug. 17 2014,11:28 am

Living wage? $25k annually seems like a nice round figure. Let's start there.

Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 17 2014,11:29 am

Posted by Common Citizen on Aug. 17 2014,11:37 am

(Expatriate @ Aug. 17 2014,10:45 am)

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they also deserve a living wage

what you deserve scab is something else

Do you listen to yourself?

You think people deserve a living wage and in the next breath you scorn scabs.

Most people cross the picket line to provide a living wage for their families.

:crazy:

Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 17 2014,12:23 pm

Sounds like we have another possible past scab trying to defend his repulsive past.

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 17 2014,12:32 pm

(Expatriate @ Aug. 17 2014,12:23 pm)

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Sounds like we have another possible past scab trying to defend his repulsive past.

I suppose scab is much better than chickensh!t :rofl:

Posted by grassman on Aug. 17 2014,4:57 pm

(Self-Banished @ Aug. 17 2014,11:08 am)

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(Expatriate @ Aug. 17 2014,10:45 am)

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they also deserve a living wage

what you deserve scab is something else

Tell me, what is a "living wage"? How much?

The other question is, what is it you think I deserve?

Some would probably say you deserve a swift kick. :;):

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 17 2014,7:19 pm

^^...and a lot people are pompous windbags like expat. :dunce:

Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 17 2014,9:52 pm

Brought to you by Unions the following:
Weekends without work
All breaks at work, including your lunch breaks
Paid vacation
Family & Medical Leave Act (FMLA)
Sick leave
Social Security
Minimum wage
Civil Rights Act/Title VII - prohibits employer discrimination
8-hour work day
Overtime pay
Child labor laws
Occupational Safety & Health Act (OSHA)
40-hour work week
Workers’ compensation (workers’ comp)
Unemployment insurance
Pensions
Workplace safety standards and regulations
Employer health care insurance
Collective bargaining rights for employees
Wrongful termination laws
Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967 (ADEA)
Whistleblower protection laws
Employee Polygraph Protection Act (EPPA) - prohibits employers from using a lie detector test on an employee
Veteran's Employment and Training Services (VETS)
Compensation increases and evaluations (i.e. raises)
Sexual harassment laws
Americans With Disabilities Act (ADA)
Holiday pay
Employer dental, life, and vision insurance
Privacy rights
Pregnancy and parental leave
Military leave
The right to strike
Public education for children
Equal Pay Acts of 1963 & 2011 - requires employers pay men and women equally for the same amount of work
Laws ending sweatshops in the United States

Thank a union member

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 17 2014,11:26 pm

(Expatriate @ Aug. 17 2014,9:52 pm)

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All items that either don't apply to me, I provide for myself, negotiate for myself or I just don't give a sh!t about.

Work free, be independent :thumbsup:

(Piss on the union)

Posted by grassman on Aug. 18 2014,7:09 pm

SB, you fail to realize that not everyone has your charming persona, business aptitude, and no care for others. That is what the union does, they take care of it. If you are so special, are you going to have lunch with Gates? What's the problem? Won't he pick up?

Posted by Common Citizen on Aug. 18 2014,9:05 pm

(Expatriate @ Aug. 17 2014,12:23 pm)

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Sounds like we have another possible past scab trying to defend his repulsive past.

Pointing out the hypocrisy in your post does not make one a scab. Thankfully, I have never needed a union job nor have I ever needed to cross a picket line.

Have you recently experienced a brain injury? :dunno:

Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 18 2014,10:38 pm

^You tried to justify scabbing in your prior post, whether you sympathize or actually scabbed means little you’ve associated yourself with the scum of the earth!

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 19 2014,1:55 am

(grassman @ Aug. 18 2014,7:09 pm)

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Take care of it??? The only thing unions take care of is the "right" to be lazy, shiftless and mediocre.

Posted by Common Citizen on Aug. 19 2014,7:52 pm

(Expatriate @ Aug. 18 2014,10:38 pm)

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^You tried to justify scabbing in your prior post, whether you sympathize or actually scabbed means little you’ve associated yourself with the scum of the earth!

Now I know where the problem is. You have difficulty comprehending the English language and you're paranoid.

I said most people cross the picket line to provide a living wage for their family.

That is simply an observation. Nothing more, nothing less. Instead you get your panties in a bunch and assume the statement supports scabs. :dunce:

You're still a hypocrite when it comes to who you think should and should not be afforded a living wage.

...nuff said.

Posted by grassman on Aug. 19 2014,9:15 pm

^^^ YOU STILL CHEWING THAT NUFF! :laugh:

Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 19 2014,10:04 pm

(Common Citizen @ Aug. 19 2014,7:52 pm)

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(Expatriate @ Aug. 18 2014,10:38 pm)

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^You tried to justify scabbing in your prior post, whether you sympathize or actually scabbed means little you’ve associated yourself with the scum of the earth!

Now I know where the problem is. You have difficulty comprehending the English language and you're paranoid.

I said most people cross the picket line to provide a living wage for their family.

That is simply an observation. Nothing more, nothing less. Instead you get your panties in a bunch and assume the statement supports scabs. :dunce:

You're still a hypocrite when it comes to who you think should and should not be afforded a living wage.

...nuff said.

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 20 2014,4:49 am

Oh Exlax... :dunce:

Posted by stardust17 on Aug. 20 2014,11:24 pm

(alcitizens @ Aug. 16 2014,2:24 pm)

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(stardust17 @ Aug. 15 2014,2:14 am)

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We will always be a part of a Global Economy..

The poor in America live like millionaires because of the poor around the world..

So in other words most american consumers remain content with sewer ethics. I agree.

Boycott Slavemart.

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 22 2014,11:30 am

Good for this guy

< http://www.inautonews.com/us-ford...Tz29K0c >

< http://www.usatoday.com/story...4371081 >

And how about this?

< http://m.watchdog.org/?url=ht...2F#2678 >

Posted by Common Citizen on Aug. 22 2014,12:49 pm

Let me preface this so Expat doesn't get his panties riding up his vagina again. :flame:

I think unions added a lot of value for their members...a 100 years ago. But now, in the 21st century, they seem like a bunch of ~~pus..~~ I mean, whiners who bully their own members by using intimidation and fear tactics when they don't get their way.

< My Webpage >

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 22 2014,12:59 pm

^^^we're on the same page here, years ago they were needed, now the only place they're prevalent is the public sector where worker protection is not needed.

Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 22 2014,3:04 pm

(Self-Banished @ Aug. 22 2014,12:59 pm)

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^^^we're on the same page here, years ago they were needed, now the only place they're prevalent is the public sector where worker protection is not needed.

So perhaps more states need to take a page from Wisconsin where Walker has taken a little starch out of public employee unions. :thumbsup:

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 22 2014,3:18 pm

YES!!!

I plan to be asking the door knockers this year what their position is and would they author legislation to turn Minn. Into a right to work state. :thumbsup:

Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 22 2014,4:32 pm

There you have it one admitted P9er Scab and two Tea party sympathizers, the Republican party as a whole is anti-labor, their deregulation is all about taking the working class back to the 1800’s, anyone cheering the likes of Walker is a complete idiot!

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 22 2014,6:03 pm

(Expatriate @ Aug. 22 2014,4:32 pm)

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Actually, I belonged to P6, and all it did was siphon $ from my check.

Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 22 2014,6:06 pm

No, you crossed the P9 picket line, you already admitted that scab!

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 22 2014,8:20 pm

(Expatriate @ Aug. 22 2014,6:06 pm)

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No, you crossed the P9 picket line, you already admitted that scab!

Yes, and many others over the years dipsh!t :rofl:

Posted by Common Citizen on Aug. 23 2014,10:41 am

(Expatriate @ Aug. 22 2014,4:32 pm)

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Yep...there you have it. Intimidation and fear mongoring. Union thugs just can't help themselves. Which page in your union propaganda book is that on?

The union thugs and Donks in Wisconsin should run Tom Barrett against Scott Walker again. :rofl:

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 25 2014,7:18 am

Wow,
< http://m.watchdog.org/?url=ht...2F#2678 >

Posted by irisheyes on Aug. 25 2014,7:32 am

(MADDOG @ Aug. 22 2014,3:04 pm)

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So perhaps more states need to take a page from Wisconsin where

Wisconsin should take a lesson from us, facts speak for themselves. Minnesota has a higher per capita and household income, Wisconsin is LESS than the national average for both. MN has a lower unemployment rate than WI; 4.7% vs. 5.8%.

There is something Wisconsin consistently has us trumped in, they have a higher poverty rate, while Minnesota keeps our poverty rate lower than the national average.
< Minnesota, U.S. Census Data >
< Wisconsin, U.S. Census Data >

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Walker has taken a little starch out of public employee unions.

Only the public employees who don't support Republicans. According to Wisconsin's own fiscal report before the law change corrections put more of a strain on their budget than education, I read that report and it didn't even mention any other public employees OTHER than corrections, and yet they made a law that < excluded State Patrol > but specifically targeted teachers for the blame.

^That's not a budget issue, it's revenge on educators for their political affiliation.

Posted by irisheyes on Aug. 25 2014,7:44 am

(Common Citizen @ Aug. 22 2014,12:49 pm)

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But now, in the 21st century, they seem like a bunch of ~~pus..~~ I mean, whiners who bully their own members by using intimidation and fear tactics when they don't get their way.

< My Webpage >

So, you think unions are wimps ("~~pus..~~") while at the same time you claim they're bullies and thugs who intimidate and cause fear to the rest of you. I'm glad to see cognitive dissonance hasn't gone out of style.

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Yep...there you have it. Intimidation and fear mongoring. Union thugs just can't help themselves. Which page in your union propaganda book is that on?

The union thugs and Donks in Wisconsin

Both your FOX story in Kansas and you bringing up Wisconsin were targeted at Teachers, and as I pointed out Wisconsin exempted the state police. So in the conservative world, Teachers are thugs who use aggression and intimidation, but the union members who carry guns are allowed to be exempted.

^This proves once again that books and intelligence are clearly more intimidating to conservatives.

Posted by stardust17 on Aug. 25 2014,11:58 pm

At least scabs should be treated equally under the constitution----the illegal immigrant scabs, the hopelessly nieve scabs, the flag waving scabs, the nihilistic expedient scabs. All misguided for various reasons, but equal.

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 26 2014,7:28 am

(stardust17 @ Aug. 25 2014,11:58 pm)

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Misguided?
You mean the union member who has no self respect? No personal drive? Who has to pay to have someone make a decision for him or her? Who when by themselves are milk toast harmless but when in a group are no better than a bunch of street thugs?

You have some interesting views on the word "misguided"

Posted by Glad I Left on Aug. 26 2014,2:45 pm

(stardust17 @ Aug. 25 2014,11:58 pm)

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Be careful with the illegal part, they are not guaranteed all rights under the constitution...

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 26 2014,4:00 pm

^^^A constitution? We still have one of those???

Posted by Common Citizen on Aug. 26 2014,8:40 pm

(irisheyes @ Aug. 25 2014,7:44 am)

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(Common Citizen @ Aug. 22 2014,12:49 pm)

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But now, in the 21st century, they seem like a bunch of ~~pus..~~ I mean, whiners who bully their own members by using intimidation and fear tactics when they don't get their way.

< My Webpage >

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Yep...there you have it. Intimidation and fear mongoring. Union thugs just can't help themselves. Which page in your union propaganda book is that on?

The union thugs and Donks in Wisconsin

Yep. To me they are a bunch of whiney wimps. It doesn't mean they don't use intimidation and fear mongering on their own members. One has nothing to do with the other.

C'mon. Are you unable to discern the difference?

My point was about the unions not teachers. Again, more discernment issues. :dunce:

You didn't prove a thing.

Posted by grassman on Aug. 28 2014,7:07 am

Back to the issue....

Posted by Botto 82 on Aug. 28 2014,8:13 am

^But it's what "the market will bear." :rofl:

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 28 2014,8:15 am

(grassman @ Aug. 28 2014,7:07 am)

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Back to the issue...

Well then, I guess if one wants to eat one will work harder and smarter, also probably not a good idea to be squirting out kids willy nilly. :thumbsup:

Posted by stardust17 on Aug. 29 2014,1:52 am

(Self-Banished @ Aug. 26 2014,7:28 am)

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(stardust17 @ Aug. 25 2014,11:58 pm)

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Your description of union members fits many groups---religious, political, social. And of course it applies to corporate shareholders and investment groups who profit hugely from corporations which seek low wage employees.

Zealous politicians, bankers, and corporations decided to "westernize" Third World hell-holes for personal profit. A lowering of our standard of living, wages, ethics, and things like 9/11, trillion dollar wars, etc are just some of the hidden costs.

Let's all keep our mouths shut, "work harder", and keep step to the drums. Just like our ma'sas wish.

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 29 2014,4:42 am

(stardust17 @ Aug. 29 2014,1:52 am)

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(Self-Banished @ Aug. 26 2014,7:28 am)

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(stardust17 @ Aug. 25 2014,11:58 pm)

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Funny thing about unions is that in a closed shop state you have to join if you want to work, that is my biggest problem with unions.
Religious, political, social? One is free to join or leave factions as one wishes. Unions stink of socialism, thus as I said, no innovation, no initiative, work enough to get by.
Masters? We all have them, no exceptions. I just get to choose mine and I don't have to keep my mouth shut like a union thug would.

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 29 2014,11:48 am

(Botto 82 @ Aug. 28 2014,8:13 am)

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^But it's what "the market will bear." :rofl:

So then, are you paid more than you're worth??? :dunno:

Posted by stardust17 on Sep. 02 2014,1:21 am

I've never belonged to a union. Unions have evolved into inefficient beaurocracies. Unions arise for various reasons---some ideological, some bring forward legitimate issues. Union formation can be a symptom of poor business practice. Union formation is often a sign of a cofused weak fragmented workforce.

Equating non-union workplaces as fertile ground for freedom of speech? Ask all those workers fired from Slavemart, etc whenever they put forth a list of complaints. Of course then there are those people who would say "if you don't like your job find another one". That arguement smells of a dead spineless jellyfish.

Has "choice" or "freewill" devolved to the point where we are satisfied when we are allowed a choice between who or what attaches a ring and chain to our nose and gives it a tug?

Union people prefer one type of ring and chain. Non-union prefer another. Both groups are being led by the same master---big money. The idea that work-place bosses are in control is an illusion. You may notice. They have rings in their noses also. And the same with "independent" business. We must remember that more & more highly competive employers, large or small, place high priority on products/services, not human needs.

Big money laughs as the ringed proles squabble and blame the other. Big money is to blame for low wages/poor working conditions. But who is to blame when humans appear satisfied with these injustices?

Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 02 2014,4:50 am

I went to the movies yesterday, I walked into the lobby and there was a a row of kiosks. I walked up to one, used the touch screen, slid my card and a ticket pops out. How efficient! I imagine it won't be too long before the snack counter works the same.

Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 02 2014,8:09 am

^Self driving trucks hit the road in Japan, your days are numbered, Don't worry there's lots of minimum wage jobs for dummies like you!

Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 02 2014,8:47 am

^^^ why not? As I've posted before, it'd be a lot more profitable to eliminate the driver which is the most expensive part of trucking. So I get to omit the driver part and just buy trucks? Cool :cool:

Sadly in this country self driving trucks for the format I'm in are not really viable but if they were would be 10-15 years out plus. I'll be retired by then going fishing every day.

Besides, I couldn't take a minimum wage job away from a displaced teamster :rofl:

Posted by Common Citizen on Sep. 02 2014,1:00 pm

Wasn't it expat that said he stares at a light all day waiting for it to flash before he has to do anything?

I think we've already found his replacement.

Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 02 2014,6:02 pm

Obama echos FDR

Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 03 2014,8:53 am

(Expatriate @ Sep. 02 2014,6:02 pm)

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Obama echos FDR

Let's hope not...

< http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTI...rl.html >

Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 03 2014,2:10 pm

^There seems to be a number of far out conspiracy theories on your link, I don’t buy into the pearl harbor story.
I would have thought a yarmulke wearing gear-jammer would have wanted to save the Jews.

As for our involvement in wars outside our borders I haven't seen any in my lifetime I believe were worth the treasure/blood of our Nation. As for WW2 I’m not even sure that was worth it.

Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 03 2014,2:59 pm

^^wars are never worth it,
Just sometimes nessesary.

Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 04 2014,6:31 am

So there will be fast food workers striking in the Twin Cities today,
Should be funny.

Posted by stardust17 on Sep. 04 2014,11:09 pm

Interesting how AL workers never boycott or strike. Must be all that good parenting, keeping the kids in the bars and not the streets.

Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 05 2014,4:21 am

I didn't see a damned thing yesterday, much ado about absolutely nothing :dunce:

Posted by irisheyes on Sep. 24 2014,8:34 am

(Common Citizen @ Aug. 26 2014,8:40 pm)

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Yep. To me they are a bunch of whiney wimps. It doesn't mean they don't use intimidation and fear mongering on their own members. One has nothing to do with the other.

Yeah, it kinda does... You're using pejoratives that are opposite to each other.

QUOTE

C'mon. Are you unable to discern the difference?

My point was about the unions not teachers. Again, more discernment issues. :dunce:

Your post was about teachers and so was the link, you'll notice teachers unions are comprised of teachers.

What I proved was that you guys use a lot of fearful words to describe educators, "intimidation, bullies, thugs, etc." There are plenty of posts from you and SB to show that.

The ultra-conservatives typically have a disdain of education though, so the above doesn't surprise me. You can call it discernment, I'd call it cognitive dissonance.

Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 24 2014,3:32 pm

So this works the same for progressives and global warming? No sorry I mean climate change? No no, wait, climate destruction? Whatever it's being called this particular minute

Posted by Common Citizen on Sep. 26 2014,7:26 am

(irisheyes @ Sep. 24 2014,8:34 am)

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(Common Citizen @ Aug. 26 2014,8:40 pm)

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Yep. To me they are a bunch of whiney wimps. It doesn't mean they don't use intimidation and fear mongering on their own members. One has nothing to do with the other.

Yeah, it kinda does... You're using pejoratives that are opposite to each other.

Don't give me the "it kinda does" response when you're wrong. It doesn't.

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The ultra-conservatives typically have a disdain of education though

Negative ghost rider. Most conservatives have a disdain for the way the NEA creates and influences educational policy in this country and the way the current system works. Don't confuse that with having a disdain for education.

Posted by Common Citizen on Dec. 07 2014,11:22 am

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 07 2014,2:31 pm

They should have just arrested all of them

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Posted by pepi-lapew on Dec. 09 2014,11:49 am

They cant help it, Black&Brown mama says if the daughter isnt on its second kid by age 16 something must be wrong with her?