Topic: A Line in the Sand or
started by: MADDOG
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 26 2013,3:03 pm
December 2012 QUOTE
US president Barack Obama gave the toughest indication yet that the United States will only tolerate a certain level of brutality in the Syrian civil war.
At the National Defense University, he said: "The use of chemical weapons is and would be totally unacceptable." Switching to speak directly to Syrian president Bashir al-Assad, he continued: "If you make the tragic mistake of using these weapons, there will be consequences and you will be held accountable."
< ABC >
At the National Defense University, he said: "The use of chemical weapons is and would be totally unacceptable." Switching to speak directly to Syrian president Bashir al-Assad, he continued: "If you make the tragic mistake of using these weapons, there will be consequences and you will be held accountable."
< ABC >
March 2013
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President Obama is doubling down on his assertion that such an attack would be considered a "game changer" for his administration - but the president also emphasized the importance of finding out "precisely whether or not this red line was crossed" before making a decision that could lead to an act of war.
"Once we establish the facts I have made clear that the use of chemical weapons is a game changer," Mr. Obama said. < CBS >
"Once we establish the facts I have made clear that the use of chemical weapons is a game changer," Mr. Obama said. < CBS >
May 2013
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The credibility of the U.S. is ever more on the line with the astonishing revelation that President Obama engaged in unexpected improvisation in drawing a chemical weapons “red line” for Syria’s Bashar Assad.
In a press conference last August, Obama put Assad on notice that the U.S. would respond if Assad escalated from conventional warfare against his own people, saying:
“We cannot have a situation in which chemical or biological weapons are falling into the hands of the wrong people . . . a red line for us is, we start seeing a whole bunch of weapons moving around or being utilized.”
< Daily News >
In a press conference last August, Obama put Assad on notice that the U.S. would respond if Assad escalated from conventional warfare against his own people, saying:
“We cannot have a situation in which chemical or biological weapons are falling into the hands of the wrong people . . . a red line for us is, we start seeing a whole bunch of weapons moving around or being utilized.”
< Daily News >
August 2013
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News reports suggest Bashar al-Assad marked the first anniversary of President Obama’s “red line” on chemical weapons in traditional fashion: by launching a new chemical attack on civilians.
The White House says the president is “deeply concerned” and insists those responsible “must be held accountable.” Surely Assad is quaking in his boots.
Opposition groups released photos and videos of what they said was an attack using an unspecified chemical agent.
< NY Post >
The White House says the president is “deeply concerned” and insists those responsible “must be held accountable.” Surely Assad is quaking in his boots.
Opposition groups released photos and videos of what they said was an attack using an unspecified chemical agent.
< NY Post >
TODAY
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But what Obama said was a little less clear.
“We have been very clear to the Assad regime, but also to other players on the ground, that a red line for us is we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around or being utilized,” the president said a year ago last week. “That would change my calculus. That would change my equation.”
It was also unclear what the consequences of crossing that “red line” would be. Obama has cautioned that unilateral action, particularly without a U.N. mandate, may be unwise and could run afoul of international law. In keeping with the strategy he used in seeking international cooperation for airstrikes against Libya in 2011, Obama warned in a CNN interview last week that international cooperation is key to military intervention.
To many, Wednesday’s attack outside Damascus would likely qualify as “a whole bunch” of chemical weapons deployed. < CBS >
“We have been very clear to the Assad regime, but also to other players on the ground, that a red line for us is we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around or being utilized,” the president said a year ago last week. “That would change my calculus. That would change my equation.”
It was also unclear what the consequences of crossing that “red line” would be. Obama has cautioned that unilateral action, particularly without a U.N. mandate, may be unwise and could run afoul of international law. In keeping with the strategy he used in seeking international cooperation for airstrikes against Libya in 2011, Obama warned in a CNN interview last week that international cooperation is key to military intervention.
To many, Wednesday’s attack outside Damascus would likely qualify as “a whole bunch” of chemical weapons deployed. < CBS >
The United States of America is being decimated by a Schmuck who has decieved the American people. Is in the process of destroying the intergrity of this great land. No longer will other nations of the world be able to look up to this once great land. All they see now is a nation who no longer is worth their word. We used Dr. Shakeel Afridi to get Bin Laden only to allow Pakistsan to jail him. Now we've decieved the people of Syria.
If I had to describe Bambino in one word, it would be "Worthless."
"Marsey dose and dosey does." A childhood song of gibberish. That's what Obama speaks.
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 26 2013,4:41 pm
Yep, Schmuck is an accurate word.
Posted by alcitizens on Aug. 26 2013,5:02 pm
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Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 26 2013,5:12 pm
That's it?
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 26 2013,6:05 pm
(alcitizens @ Aug. 26 2013,5:02 pm)
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And like our present idiot has
Posted by grassman on Aug. 26 2013,6:19 pm
Ok, the time has come? Time to nuke every one of these countries that have been a pain in our ass! Time for world war three. Better be right with your own path. 
Like P.F. Sloan wrote:
But you tell me
Over and over and over again, my friend
Ah, you don’t believe
We’re on the eve
Of destruction.
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 26 2013,9:15 pm
The issue isn't that I or anyone here believe or want that to happen. The issue is that Bambino made the statement. Whether it was a smart choice or not isn't the point. The point is, he made it. He has backed himself into a corner. He has to either put up or shut up. And if he chooses that latter, other countries will be able to see just what his party stands for. Our allies will once again see that America's word has no meaning. It will show his lack of compassion. It will show his lack of courage.
It will show his lack of honor.
Posted by grassman on Aug. 26 2013,9:38 pm
I think every President has made the same type of statement, some countries just do not listen. Maybe Obama will do like Bush did from 9-11, go take out Brazil!
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 27 2013,4:42 am
So you want to spend our tax dollars on Egypt’s problems, why does that seem so Republitard..
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 27 2013,5:18 am
Have another cup of coffee numbnuts, the country in question here is Syria 
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 27 2013,9:18 am
Somebody better tell Bambino. If he's as lost as expat, the prez might bomb the wrong country?Egypt or Brazil? Hmmmm?
Posted by alcitizens on Aug. 27 2013,10:00 am
Maddog supports the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt because of their radical right-wing views.. What team do you think he's on in Syria?
The radical right-wing government or the radical right-wing rebels?
Sounds like a win win for Maddog the Republitard..
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 27 2013,10:47 am
(alcitizens @ Aug. 27 2013,10:00 am)
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Maddog supports the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt because of their radical right-wing views..
What team do you think he's on in Syria?
The radical right-wing government or the radical right-wing rebels?
Sounds like a win win for Maddog the Republitard..
What team do you think he's on in Syria?
The radical right-wing government or the radical right-wing rebels?
Sounds like a win win for Maddog the Republitard..
Damn you are dense.
The mb is far from anything right-wing. The mb is a theocratic terrorist organization bent on the backwooded rule of sharia.
But your boy in the big house supports the mb.
Posted by alcitizens on Aug. 27 2013,11:06 am
Radical religious rule is right-wing.. Did you just wake up from your coma?
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 27 2013,11:13 am
(alcitizens @ Aug. 27 2013,11:06 am)
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Radical religious rule is right-wing.. Did you just wake up from your coma?
Source on that?
Just because it is rule based on religion doesn't make it right wing.
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 27 2013,11:21 am
Is Alky a left wing radical retard?
Posted by This is my real name on Aug. 27 2013,11:27 am
(MADDOG @ Aug. 27 2013,9:18 am)
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Somebody better tell Bambino. If he's as lost as expat, the prez might bomb the wrong country?
Egypt or Brazil? Hmmmm?
Egypt or Brazil? Hmmmm?
That reminds me of a headline in The Onion from about 12 years ago: "US Military bombs Al-Jazeera".
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 27 2013,11:41 am
Asaad, wouldn't have and didn't use gas, why would he?The mb is the one releasing the gas, and hope that Asaad gets the blame. And now the idiot at 1600 has painted himself into a corner over Syria.
If this dumbfrack, gets Congressional ok to use force, Russia and China are not going to play nice, and Russia has already sent in a warship. The US needs to stay out of the Syria situation.
Nothing good can come from our intervention, nor should we intervene, a country's civil war is their business, their civil war does not and has not threatened the United States.
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 27 2013,12:26 pm
Alki, where do you get your information on my views? really 
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 27 2013,12:32 pm
(Self-Banished @ Aug. 27 2013,11:21 am)
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Is Alky a left wing radical retard?
SB, I think you had the wording slightly wrong.
I think you may have meant:
Alky is a left wing radical retard.
Posted by pepi-lapew on Aug. 27 2013,1:32 pm
I didnt know the monkey in the white house could draw? 
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 27 2013,1:37 pm
(Grinning_Dragon @ Aug. 27 2013,11:41 am)
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If this dumbfrack, gets Congressional ok to use force,
Do you actually think he will go to Congress for approval?
Hill no, he ain't a'gonna wait fer them. He has one of them executive priviledges.
Why would he start to abide by the Constitution now? Article I Section 8 is fer sissies. War Powers Resolution be damned. Congress is recessed. No need to check with them.
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 27 2013,4:01 pm
(Self-Banished @ Aug. 27 2013,5:18 am)
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Have another cup of coffee numbnuts, the country in question here is Syria
I really don’t care which flee bitten Arab turd world country you Republitards want to waste your time on.
Strange how all you 4F shytbirds with those pilonidal cysts want to go to war as long as someone else bleeds!
Posted by alcitizens on Aug. 27 2013,5:19 pm
(Grinning_Dragon @ Aug. 27 2013,11:13 am)
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(alcitizens @ Aug. 27 2013,11:06 am)
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Radical religious rule is right-wing.. Did you just wake up from your coma?
Source on that?
Just because it is rule based on religion doesn't make it right wing.
The following are the most conservative Middle Eastern countries in the world, according to the State of the World Liberty Index.
5. Saudi Arabia
4. Yemen
3. Iran
2. Syria
1. Libya
< http://voices.yahoo.com/top-5-m...l?cat=9 >
< http://www.stateofworldliberty.org/report/arankings.html >
Posted by Glad I Left on Aug. 27 2013,6:15 pm
We need to stay the hell out. I am not condoning what was done, but there is no direct threat to the USA and we have plenty of issues going on here at home we could spend the money on.Tired of being the world friggin' police.
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 27 2013,6:48 pm
(alcitizens @ Aug. 27 2013,5:19 pm)
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(Grinning_Dragon @ Aug. 27 2013,11:13 am)
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(alcitizens @ Aug. 27 2013,11:06 am)
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Radical religious rule is right-wing.. Did you just wake up from your coma?
Source on that?
Just because it is rule based on religion doesn't make it right wing.
The following are the most conservative Middle Eastern countries in the world, according to the State of the World Liberty Index.
5. Saudi Arabia
4. Yemen
3. Iran
2. Syria
1. Libya
< http://voices.yahoo.com/top-5-m...l?cat=9 >
< http://www.stateofworldliberty.org/report/arankings.html >
Those links are bad and you should feel bad.
Conservative is NOT right wing.
Again, show me proof that a theocracy automatically means it is right wing. But I'll help you out, you won't find anything. Theocracies are terrible to begin with, and no way to run a country and sharia/islam theocracies are the worst. These types of BS countries are in a class all of their own. It is quite hubris of people to draw a correlation to a theocracy and point and say see, causation.
Say NO to theocracy, say NO to caliphates.
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 27 2013,6:58 pm
(MADDOG @ Aug. 27 2013,1:37 pm)
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(Grinning_Dragon @ Aug. 27 2013,11:41 am)
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If this dumbfrack, gets Congressional ok to use force,
Do you actually think he will go to Congress for approval?
Hill no, he ain't a'gonna wait fer them. He has one of them executive priviledges.
Why would he start to abide by the Constitution now? Article I Section 8 is fer sissies. War Powers Resolution be damned. Congress is recessed. No need to check with them.
He would be smart to do so, because if this goes south and Russia, China, Iran and Syria, go on the offensive and destroy, damage, or sink one of our naval ships, how long before Congress has him arrested? The idiot at 1600 already has damn near ZERO support from those in the military, and this would pretty much cement total abandonment of troop support.
The idiot is weak, stupid and has zero understanding of foreign policy.
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 27 2013,7:42 pm
(Expatriate @ Aug. 27 2013,4:01 pm)
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(Self-Banished @ Aug. 27 2013,5:18 am)
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Have another cup of coffee numbnuts, the country in question here is Syria
I really don’t care which flee bitten Arab turd world country you Republitards want to waste your time on.
Strange how all you 4F shytbirds with those pilonidal cysts want to go to war as long as someone else bleeds!
First off, I'm not a Republican, I find the party offensively left wing.
Secondly, I would have to agree with you, pretty much all of the Middle East are a bunch of inbred goat f^*%ers and should be eliminated from this earth.
And last, when I was of draft age I was far from being 4F, I chose to go into business.
But you really need to pay attension to your posts, are you making xtra cash at mayo for medical experiments, if you are, stop! It's taking a toll.
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 27 2013,8:50 pm
Have any of you read the leaked emails that were release by some hackers about Britam? The hacker found a relatively insecure email server in Malaysia, and uncovered a whole host of documents from Britam Defence.
One particular email was of special interest. In it Dave Goulding reminded his fellow co-founder Phil Dougherty about an offer made by Washington via a group of Qataris: to transport what seemed to be a Soviet era chemical weapon into Syria, using sub contracted Russian speaking Ukrainian mercenaries.
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Phil
We’ve got a new offer. It’s about Syria again. Qataris propose an attractive deal and swear that the idea is approved by Washington.
We’ll have to deliver a CW to Homs, a Soviet origin g-shell from Libya similar to those that Assad should have.
They want us to deploy our Ukrainian personnel that should speak Russian and make a video record.
Frankly, I don’t think it’s a good idea but the sums proposed are enormous. Your opinion?
Kind regards
David
We’ve got a new offer. It’s about Syria again. Qataris propose an attractive deal and swear that the idea is approved by Washington.
We’ll have to deliver a CW to Homs, a Soviet origin g-shell from Libya similar to those that Assad should have.
They want us to deploy our Ukrainian personnel that should speak Russian and make a video record.
Frankly, I don’t think it’s a good idea but the sums proposed are enormous. Your opinion?
Kind regards
David
Hmmmmm....
If true, then the crackhead at 1600 is complicit of war crimes.
Posted by alcitizens on Aug. 28 2013,4:53 am
Individual Freedom (Excel)< http://www.stateofworldliberty.org/report/arankings.html >
1 being Liberal and 7 being Conservative
United States, United Kingdom, Israel are a 1.. Russia is a 6.. China is a 7..
Funny how Snowden chose to flee to countries with limited to no individual freedoms.. Libertarian Kook..
Syria, Saudi Arabia and North Korea are a 7..
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 28 2013,6:41 am
Alki seems to be on his same kick. Hey, Alki. Get some new material. QUOTE
“The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat,”
< Syria Intervention Would Reaffirm Obama’s Biggest Flip-Flop >
< Syria Intervention Would Reaffirm Obama’s Biggest Flip-Flop >
Posted by alcitizens on Aug. 28 2013,9:59 am
You start this topic with this picture as if President Obama has taken too long to bomb Syria and now you want him to move slower or not bomb Syria at all.. You really need to start using another username so you don't look like you have a split personality disorder.. It really makes you look like a hypocrite..
What now exactly do you want Obama to do?
Posted by Glad I Left on Aug. 28 2013,10:28 am
(alcitizens @ Aug. 28 2013,9:59 am)
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What now exactly do you want Obama to do?
Step down.
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 28 2013,12:51 pm
(Glad I Left @ Aug. 28 2013,10:28 am)
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(alcitizens @ Aug. 28 2013,9:59 am)
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What now exactly do you want Obama to do?
Step down.
Nope, that would be too easy, he needs to twist in the wind a little, show his faithful faithful followers what a real POS he is.
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 28 2013,5:05 pm
(alcitizens @ Aug. 28 2013,9:59 am)
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What now exactly do you want Obama to do?
It really doesn't matter what Obama dose Maddog is a hate monger he’d be much happier in a red state.
A state the Republitards run, one with low wages, high welfare & food stamp participation, almost any red state.
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 28 2013,8:16 pm
^^it's the end of the month Expat, anything left on your gov. Bet card??
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 29 2013,4:18 am
I agree with GIL stay out, we’re not the UN or the world police.
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 29 2013,4:57 am
As much as I wish we weren't , we have been for many years. 
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 29 2013,6:36 am
(alcitizens @ Aug. 28 2013,9:59 am)
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You start this topic with this picture as if President Obama has taken too long to bomb Syria and now you want him to move slower or not bomb Syria at all..
You really need to start using another username so you don't look like you have a split personality disorder.. It really makes you look like a hypocrite..
What now exactly do you want Obama to do?
You really need to start using another username so you don't look like you have a split personality disorder.. It really makes you look like a hypocrite..
What now exactly do you want Obama to do?
Did you read the caption? "Red Line? Nope, not crossed yet? I believe part of my comments going with that read
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No longer will other nations of the world be able to look up to this once great land. All they see now is a nation who no longer is worth their word. Now we've decieved the people of Syria..."Marsey dose and dosey does." A childhood song of gibberish. That's what Obama speaks.
Anotherwords HIS words mean nothing to the world. He's a half-cocked crank that makes idle threats and leaves us or the rest of the world wondering if he makes good on anything he says.
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The issue isn't that I or anyone here believe or want that to happen. The issue is that Bambino made the statement. Whether it was a smart choice or not isn't the point. The point is, he made it.
He has backed himself into a corner. He has to either put up or shut up. And if he chooses that latter, other countries will be able to see just what his party stands for. Our allies will once again see that America's word has no meaning. It will show his lack of compassion. It will show his lack of courage.
It will show his lack of honor.
I guess then I state Bambino might not wait for Congress' approval. He has backed himself into a corner. He has to either put up or shut up. And if he chooses that latter, other countries will be able to see just what his party stands for. Our allies will once again see that America's word has no meaning. It will show his lack of compassion. It will show his lack of courage.
It will show his lack of honor.
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Do you actually think he will go to Congress for approval?
Hill no, he ain't a'gonna wait fer them. He has one of them executive priviledges.
Why would he start to abide by the Constitution now? Article I Section 8 is fer sissies. War Powers Resolution be damned.
I don't find where I've made any comments that I think Syria should be bombed by us. Only that Bambino is a worthless piece whose words mean nothing. He's proven time and again that he's a digit short of a whole number. All he's good for is flappin' his gums. He backed himself into a corner. He's once again screwed the pooch.
Hill no, he ain't a'gonna wait fer them. He has one of them executive priviledges.
Why would he start to abide by the Constitution now? Article I Section 8 is fer sissies. War Powers Resolution be damned.
Posted by alcitizens on Aug. 29 2013,9:49 am
Words are cheaper than bombs and American lives.. We're not 100% sure that Al-Qaeda didn't use chemical weapons in Syria to get the U.S. to remove Assad from power so Al-Qaeda could take control..What now exactly do you want Obama to do?
Posted by Common Citizen on Aug. 29 2013,10:02 am
(alcitizens @ Aug. 29 2013,9:49 am)
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What now exactly do you want Obama to do?
I would like him to stop race baiting. Not only is it unbecoming of his office but it's embarrassing and disappointing.
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 29 2013,10:57 am
(Common Citizen @ Aug. 29 2013,10:02 am)
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(alcitizens @ Aug. 29 2013,9:49 am)
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What now exactly do you want Obama to do?
I would like him to stop race baiting. Not only is it unbecoming of his office but it's embarrassing and disappointing.
Racebaiting is low hanging fruit, it shows his true character.
Posted by alcitizens on Aug. 29 2013,3:53 pm
Every Top Republican Invited to MLK Anniversary Event Said No< http://www.mediaite.com/online...said-no >
Former Republican National Committee chairman Michael Steele faulted GOP leaders for not making time to attend.
< http://www.washingtonpost.com/politic...ry.html >
Michael Steele: GOP leaders 'boneheaded' for skipping MLK ceremony
< http://thegrio.com/2013...eremony >
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 29 2013,7:11 pm
^^and you think I give a sh!t about what Steele says?
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 30 2013,8:00 am
So on MSNBC the AM the libs a saying that Americans are tired of unnessecesary wars and don't want to support this "worthy" war.Wow, once again they find a way to blame Bush. This has gone way south of pathetic.
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 30 2013,8:12 am
(Self-Banished @ Aug. 30 2013,8:00 am)
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So on MSNBC the AM the libs a saying that Americans are tired of unnessecesary wars and don't want to support this "worthy" war.
Wow, once again they find a way to blame Bush. This has gone way south of pathetic.
Wow, once again they find a way to blame Bush. This has gone way south of pathetic.
And once again you try to find a way to support the Bush Wars! you are Republitard to the core!
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 30 2013,9:34 am
^ My God you are just breathtakingly stupid!
Posted by alcitizens on Aug. 30 2013,11:58 am
(Self-Banished @ Aug. 29 2013,7:11 pm)
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^^and you think I give a sh!t about what Steele says?
Michael Steele was the Republican responsible for taking control of the U.S. House of Representatives in 2010..
When a country threatens to exterminate those in their country that appose them, the U.S. will now work to stop the extermination..
< http://www.usatoday.com/story...2726493 >
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 30 2013,1:38 pm
^ hold on...I'm trying to care less.
Posted by pepi-lapew on Aug. 30 2013,1:57 pm
I just wish they would all kill themselves off. Then we wouldnt have to worry about all them towel heads. Lets give them the bullets to help it along.
Posted by alcitizens on Aug. 30 2013,3:09 pm
(Self-Banished @ Aug. 30 2013,1:38 pm)
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^ hold on...
I'm trying to care less.
I'm trying to care less.
You are such a Meaney..
Posted by Liberal on Aug. 30 2013,3:30 pm
So are we going to start renaming English things and giving them patriotic sounding names?
Posted by alcitizens on Aug. 31 2013,4:46 am
(Liberal @ Aug. 30 2013,3:30 pm)
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So are we going to start renaming English things and giving them patriotic sounding names?
No but I would change the name of the English Muffin to the French Muffin.. Burn..
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 31 2013,6:00 am
(alcitizens @ Aug. 30 2013,3:09 pm)
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(Self-Banished @ Aug. 30 2013,1:38 pm)
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^ hold on...
I'm trying to care less.
I'm trying to care less.
You are such a Meaney..
And then some
Posted by Glad I Left on Aug. 31 2013,7:17 am
(alcitizens @ Aug. 31 2013,4:46 am)
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(Liberal @ Aug. 30 2013,3:30 pm)
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So are we going to start renaming English things and giving them patriotic sounding names?
No but I would change the name of the English Muffin to the French Muffin.. Burn..
ohhhhh, the Brits would be pissed.
I have a friend from there, think I will ask him and see what he thinks of that idea
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 31 2013,10:31 am
I'd say the Brits a very wise and listened to their citizens.
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 31 2013,6:14 pm
Looks like Bammer's gonna ask congress for permission, what a punk-bitch
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 31 2013,6:24 pm
(Self-Banished @ Aug. 31 2013,6:14 pm)
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Looks like Bammer's gonna ask congress for permission, what a punk-bitch
He has too. Since Syria DOES NOT directly affect the safety of the United States. The other issue is, if we do go in, we will be aiding and abetting al cia a er al qaeda, and to aid al qaeda would also be treason, since the US it as war with al qaeda.
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 01 2013,8:16 am
^ yes he does have to ask for approval but I get to call him a punk-bitch
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 01 2013,9:49 am
(Self-Banished @ Sep. 01 2013,8:16 am)
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^ yes he does have to ask for approval but I get to call him a punk-bitch
Posted by Joink on Sep. 01 2013,7:19 pm
Just remember, bombs dropped with a D on them are good. Bombs dropped with a R on them are bad. Just ask Ted or Mary.
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 02 2013,12:16 am
(Grinning_Dragon @ Aug. 31 2013,6:24 pm)
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(Self-Banished @ Aug. 31 2013,6:14 pm)
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Looks like Bammer's gonna ask congress for permission, what a punk-bitch
He has too. Since Syria DOES NOT directly affect the safety of the United States. The other issue is, if we do go in, we will be aiding and abetting al cia a er al qaeda, and to aid al qaeda would also be treason, since the US it as war with al qaeda.
Wrong and Wrong.. Will you ever get tired of being Wrong?
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 02 2013,12:27 am
(alcitizens @ Sep. 02 2013,12:16 am)
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(Grinning_Dragon @ Aug. 31 2013,6:24 pm)
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(Self-Banished @ Aug. 31 2013,6:14 pm)
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Looks like Bammer's gonna ask congress for permission, what a punk-bitch
He has too. Since Syria DOES NOT directly affect the safety of the United States. The other issue is, if we do go in, we will be aiding and abetting al cia a er al qaeda, and to aid al qaeda would also be treason, since the US it as war with al qaeda.
Wrong and Wrong.. Will you ever get tired of being Wrong?
Oh please enlighten me, but as usual, you lack a rebuttal.
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 02 2013,5:24 am
(Grinning_Dragon @ Sep. 02 2013,12:27 am)
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Oh please enlighten me, but as usual, you lack a rebuttal.
The usage of Sarin Gas in Syria is an immediate threat to our troops in Israel, Turkey and Jordan which would give President Obama the Authority to attack Syria under the War Powers Resolution..
< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_Resolution >
An attack on Syria's ability to deliver chemical weapons against his own people or his neighbors is in no way supporting Al Qaeda.. The use of Sarin Gas is breaking international law agreed on at the Geneva Convention..
< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Conventions >
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 02 2013,6:11 am
^ so to prevent Syria from killing people Bammer get to bomb their infriustruture and kill people.OK then, I guess.
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 02 2013,6:17 am
Kinda an after thought (please excuse me, the wife just got me up to go fishing)How much does a cruise missle cost???
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 02 2013,8:03 am
It's unlikely Obama will do anything in Syria. He's stuck like a kid's tongue to a railing on a cold day in Minnesota. Face it sheeple. He opened his mouth when he shouldn't have. He's drawn and continued to move his definition of a red line several times. He's screwed what credibility this country still had and been left holding possibly the fact that he's been aiding the wrong group. QUOTE
Wayne Simmons, accused President Barack Obama of supporting the wrong people in the Syrian conflict. He stated that he agreed with an assessment of a reliable source who visited Syria and met with the rebels — Maj. Gen. Paul E. Vallely (US Army-Ret.).
Vallely, a noted-military analyst for news organizations, had released a video that documents his personal reconnaissance of the Syrian civil war, a war which may soon include U.S. military action against the Bashar al-Assad regime.
“Obama backed the overthrow of President Mubarek in Eqypt — a dictator who at least maintained peaceful relations with the US and Israel — and allowed the radical Muslim Brotherhood, with ties to Hamas, Hezbollah and other Islamist groups, to take control. Obama took part in the ouster and death of Libya’s dictator Moamar Khadhafi only to find that nation at the mercy of terrorists, war lords and weak politicians. What’s next with this administration?”
I keep forgetting, who seems to keep supporting the MB?
He should be tried for treason. When Morsi ran around announcing “Jihad is our path,” Bambino boasted on national TV that an evil dictator had been overthrown and peace may be possible in Egypt. Now accusations and documents are being held by Egyptian military possibly linmking Bambino to payments to the MB.
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 02 2013,9:54 am
(alcitizens @ Sep. 02 2013,5:24 am)
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(Grinning_Dragon @ Sep. 02 2013,12:27 am)
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Oh please enlighten me, but as usual, you lack a rebuttal.
The usage of Sarin Gas in Syria is an immediate threat to our troops in Israel, Turkey and Jordan which would give President Obama the Authority to attack Syria under the War Powers Resolution..
< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_Resolution >
An attack on Syria's ability to deliver chemical weapons against his own people or his neighbors is in no way supporting Al Qaeda.. The use of Sarin Gas is breaking international law agreed on at the Geneva Convention..
< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Conventions >
Well that would work if the rebels released the gas in Israel or Turkey, but they didn't, it was released in Syria. There is NO immediate threat to either country. So the war powers act does not apply here. The US nor our allies were attacked. Basing an attack on the what if is a tactic of a very very weak leader, i.e. bamtard.
Asaad is NOT behind the attack.
Syria's civil war is NOT our concern, it is a shame, but it is what it is.
The US doesn't have the funds to enter into another war, the country is broke, we have NO other allies joining in on this one. Attacking Syria will put further strains between the US and Russia. Your boy at 1600 doesn't know what he is doing, face it, he sucks as a CnC, he should just stick to playing checkers with his kids, and leave the issue to the adults.
Here lets put into context.
Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 02 2013,10:28 am
@Jindalville DragonIt shouldn't be a unilateral response by the US, and I agree Syrian internal matters aren’t our concern.
I’m more concerned about the Syria Government falling to the rebellion and what happens to the W.M.D. stock pile at that point?
You seem to implying the gassing is Rebel related could you supply any link backing your statement?
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 02 2013,11:18 am
(Expatriate @ Sep. 02 2013,10:28 am)
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@Jindalville Dragon
It shouldn't be a unilateral response by the US, and I agree Syrian internal matters aren’t our concern.
I’m more concerned about the Syria Government falling to the rebellion and what happens to the W.M.D. stock pile at that point?
You seem to implying the gassing is Rebel related could you supply any link backing your statement?
It shouldn't be a unilateral response by the US, and I agree Syrian internal matters aren’t our concern.
I’m more concerned about the Syria Government falling to the rebellion and what happens to the W.M.D. stock pile at that point?
You seem to implying the gassing is Rebel related could you supply any link backing your statement?
It wouldn't make sense for Asaad to use sarin gas, why would he?
< Insuregents claim responsibility >
< As much as I hate Slate, here is another >
< Viral report >
< CBS-quoting Russian media >
Its out there, and this only took me a few minutes to search. Even the POS UN is leaning to the fact that rebels released the gas. I understand that the links I posted, pretty much allude to the act, but there is a soundly familiar correlation going on here.
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 02 2013,12:39 pm
Wouldn't that be a hoot if it was the MB and al-Qaeda who released the sarin gas. I guess Kerry has been wrong before in a war zone. Back in May it was a strong probability rebels were the suspects who released sarin gas. Then Bambino would really be in a pickle. Caught between the MB he secretly supports and the international community. Wait a minute. If Obama is supporting the MB rebel forces in Syria through Libya. And the rebels are releasing sarin gas, then Obama...
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 02 2013,12:58 pm
(MADDOG @ Sep. 02 2013,12:39 pm)
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Wouldn't that be a hoot if it was the MB and al-Qaeda who released the sarin gas. I guess Kerry has been wrong before in a war zone. Back in May it was a strong probability rebels were the suspects who released sarin gas. Then Bambino would really be in a pickle. Caught between the MB he secretly supports and the international community.
Wait a minute. If Obama is supporting the MB rebel forces in Syria through Libya. And the rebels are releasing sarin gas, then Obama...
Wait a minute. If Obama is supporting the MB rebel forces in Syria through Libya. And the rebels are releasing sarin gas, then Obama...
The Syrian rebel group is supported by the POS mb.
The mb is evil, look at where the mb got morsi.
The mb needs to be destroyed, it serves no useful purpose, never has, never will.
The mb has close ties to the nazi regime of the day.
Mohammad Amin al-Husayni, Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and close personal friend to Adolf Hitler, inspecting the all-moslem Nazi Handzar SS Division, which he was instrumental in founding.
Founding of the Muslim Brotherhood.
In the 1920s, an Egyptian school teacher, Hassan al-Banna, gathered discontent Muslims to found the Muslim Brotherhood.
According to John Loftus, a former prosecutor with the US Justice Department, “Al-Banna formed this nationalist group called the Muslim Brotherhood. Al-Banna was a devout admirer of Adolf Hitler and wrote to him frequently.”
Loftus adds that Al-Banna was so persistent in his “admiration of the new Nazi Party that in the 1930s Al-Banna and the Muslim Brotherhood became a secret arm of Nazi Intelligence. With the goal of the Third Reich to develop the Muslim Brotherhood as an army inside Egypt.”
While initial growth of the Muslim Brotherhood was moderate, the organization’s membership rolls – coinciding with rising anti-Semitism in Europe — by August 1938 had swelled to more than two hundred thousand members. By the end of World War II the Muslim Brotherhood had around half a million members.
Al-Banna idealized death also preached a love of death.
“To a nation that perfects the industry of death and which knows how to die nobly, God gives proud life in this world and eternal grace in the life to come” and “We are not afraid of death, we desire it… Let us die in redemption for Muslims,” Al-Banna once wrote.
Does any of that sound familiar present day? Does “We love death more than you love life” ring a bell?
Direct contact with the Nazis
Another great admirer of Hitler was the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Mohammad Amin al-Husayni, “went to Germany during the war and helped recruit an international SS division of Arab Nazis. They based it in Croatia and called it the Handzar Muslim Division, but it was to become the core of Hitler’s new army of Arab fascists that would conquer the Arabian Peninsula and, from there, on to Africa–grand dreams.”
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 02 2013,1:37 pm
Hey, look..Media staging things in Egypt and Syria.
And why do people believe the news or trust just one source?
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 02 2013,2:33 pm
Uh oh,looks like there is no support from the < military either. >
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 02 2013,3:12 pm
(Grinning_Dragon @ Sep. 02 2013,11:18 am)
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(Expatriate @ Sep. 02 2013,10:28 am)
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@Jindalville Dragon
It shouldn't be a unilateral response by the US, and I agree Syrian internal matters aren’t our concern.
I’m more concerned about the Syria Government falling to the rebellion and what happens to the W.M.D. stock pile at that point?
You seem to implying the gassing is Rebel related could you supply any link backing your statement?
It shouldn't be a unilateral response by the US, and I agree Syrian internal matters aren’t our concern.
I’m more concerned about the Syria Government falling to the rebellion and what happens to the W.M.D. stock pile at that point?
You seem to implying the gassing is Rebel related could you supply any link backing your statement?
It wouldn't make sense for Asaad to use sarin gas, why would he?
< Insuregents claim responsibility >
< As much as I hate Slate, here is another >
< Viral report >
< CBS-quoting Russian media >
Its out there, and this only took me a few minutes to search. Even the POS UN is leaning to the fact that rebels released the gas. I understand that the links I posted, pretty much allude to the act, but there is a soundly familiar correlation going on here.
AP doesn't recognize your claim by Dale Gavlak that rebels used chemical weapons..
< http://bigstory.ap.org/author/dale-gavlak >
Shoebat does..
< http://shoebat.com/2013...-attack >
Posted by Botto 82 on Sep. 02 2013,3:48 pm
(alcitizens @ Sep. 02 2013,3:12 pm)
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AP doesn't recognize your claim by Dale Gavlak that rebels used chemical weapons..
OMG! And the AP is spot-on accurate about everything they report!
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 02 2013,3:59 pm
(alcitizens @ Sep. 02 2013,3:12 pm)
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(Grinning_Dragon @ Sep. 02 2013,11:18 am)
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(Expatriate @ Sep. 02 2013,10:28 am)
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@Jindalville Dragon
It shouldn't be a unilateral response by the US, and I agree Syrian internal matters aren’t our concern.
I’m more concerned about the Syria Government falling to the rebellion and what happens to the W.M.D. stock pile at that point?
You seem to implying the gassing is Rebel related could you supply any link backing your statement?
It shouldn't be a unilateral response by the US, and I agree Syrian internal matters aren’t our concern.
I’m more concerned about the Syria Government falling to the rebellion and what happens to the W.M.D. stock pile at that point?
You seem to implying the gassing is Rebel related could you supply any link backing your statement?
It wouldn't make sense for Asaad to use sarin gas, why would he?
< Insuregents claim responsibility >
< As much as I hate Slate, here is another >
< Viral report >
< CBS-quoting Russian media >
Its out there, and this only took me a few minutes to search. Even the POS UN is leaning to the fact that rebels released the gas. I understand that the links I posted, pretty much allude to the act, but there is a soundly familiar correlation going on here.
AP doesn't recognize your claim by Dale Gavlak that rebels used chemical weapons..
< http://bigstory.ap.org/author/dale-gavlak >
Shoebat does..
< http://shoebat.com/2013...-attack >
Your reading comprehension sucks.
Read it again Forrest.
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Dale Gavlak - a freelance AP journalist who broke the story for Mint Press News-
The man is a "FREELANCE' writer and broke the story on ANOTHER news outlet.
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 02 2013,4:34 pm
From Col. Allen West.Watched Senators McCain and Graham's press conference after their meeting with President Obama on the subject of Syria. It seems the tagline to be used is 'degrade Assad and upgrade the resistance.' I hate to be the one to ruin the party, but this administration did exactly that in Libya and never considered the unintended consequences. Now in Libya we have a proliferation of Islamist forces who are training terrorist insurgents to head to Syria, supported by the Muslim Brotherhood and Al Qaeda, as well as a consulate attack resulting in the death of four Americans, one being an Ambassador. In Egypt we 'deposed' Mubarak and enabled the Muslim Brotherhood and the unintended consequences are a civil war in Egypt and increased persecution of the Coptic Christians. So here we go again with the Obama administration, and useful tools from Congress, embarking America on a nebulous endeavor in the Middle East without consideration of the untended consequences. The opposition in Syria are Islamists supported by Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, and Al Qaeda, and the Muslim Brotherhood. The Obama administration has not supported the Free Syrian Army under COL Riad. NO, to any US military action in Syria. The Obama administration has a confused Middle East policy and has shown ineptness in understanding the second and third order effects.
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 02 2013,5:25 pm
Breaking News: Assad government has been blaming the rebels and Saudi Arabia since day one..
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 02 2013,6:41 pm
(alcitizens @ Sep. 02 2013,5:25 pm)
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Breaking News: Assad government has been blaming the rebels and Saudi Arabia since day one..
You should go on the road, with your blue ribbon debating skills, damn. With such an obvious iron clad rebuttal such as yours, you have solved all of life's mysteries.
Posted by irisheyes on Sep. 02 2013,7:12 pm
(Grinning_Dragon @ Sep. 02 2013,2:33 pm)
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Uh oh,looks like there is no support from the < military either. >
Never heard of the "news" sources that you quote. But it only takes a couple minutes to unveil what they really are:
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The following World Tribune.com content partners have both contributed articles and columns and have helped alert the worldwide web to its exclusive reports:
DrudgeReport.com
Breitbart.com
NewsMax.com
WorldNetDaily.com
< World Tribune: About Us >
DrudgeReport.com
Breitbart.com
NewsMax.com
WorldNetDaily.com
< World Tribune: About Us >
As for Allen West, he's intelligent and articulate, but I wouldn't ask his advice about the Middle East considering he's an Islamaphobe. It's like asking David Duke about Africa or the Jews. But West has been a conservative favorite since he kidnapped and tortured an innocent Iraqi.
My favorite article I just noticed on World Tribune is about how Christians should form their own political party. An < exodus from the Republican party >. And the same author says there's new information on Obama's birth certificate.
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 02 2013,8:14 pm
Oh noes, I posted links to other news sites, that were not part of the holy grail of the media darlings of the US or the UK. Really islamaphobe? So if someone dislikes islam, is a phobe?
Nonsense, I dislike islam, and find it to be a worthless religion, does that make me a phobe? NO, it is just another BS religion that imposes their brand morality through coercion and guilt shaming.
Your objection has been noted, and rejected. Guards take him away!
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 03 2013,1:37 pm
Speaker Boehner and Republican Leader Cantor support President Obama..
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 03 2013,1:52 pm
(alcitizens @ Sep. 03 2013,1:37 pm)
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Speaker Boehner and Republican Leader Cantor support President Obama..
And?
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 03 2013,2:01 pm
(Grinning_Dragon @ Sep. 03 2013,1:52 pm)
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(alcitizens @ Sep. 03 2013,1:37 pm)
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Speaker Boehner and Republican Leader Cantor support President Obama..
And?
I guess you're supposed to be impressed.
Posted by Glad I Left on Sep. 03 2013,2:38 pm
If the R's and D's agree, it must be a bad idea...
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 03 2013,2:40 pm
(Glad I Left @ Sep. 03 2013,2:38 pm)
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If the R's and D's agree, it must be a bad idea...
You know it is bad when crybaby bohner and the botox badger pelosi agree on this.
Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 03 2013,3:13 pm
(Glad I Left @ Sep. 03 2013,2:38 pm)
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If the R's and D's agree, it must be a bad idea...
There are too many politicians who believe you can fool all of the people all of the time.
Posted by Glad I Left on Sep. 03 2013,3:59 pm
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There are too many politicians
You nailed it
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 05 2013,5:22 am
You gotta love it, bammer now says he didn't draw the redline. And it's not his reputation on the line it's the American people's.
Posted by Botto 82 on Sep. 05 2013,6:33 am
(Self-Banished @ Sep. 05 2013,5:22 am)
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You gotta love it, bammer now says he didn't draw the redline. And it's not his reputation on the line it's the American people's.
Wow. And here I thought he wouldn't go into full-on lame duck mode until 2014.
Posted by This is my real name on Sep. 05 2013,7:52 am
(Glad I Left @ Sep. 03 2013,2:38 pm)
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If the R's and D's agree, it must be a bad idea...
Or, to paraphrase George Carlin's book "Brain Droppings", "Anytime I hear the word 'bipartisan', I think there's larger-than-usual deception going on."
Posted by Glad I Left on Sep. 05 2013,8:46 am
(This is my real name @ Sep. 05 2013,7:52 am)
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(Glad I Left @ Sep. 03 2013,2:38 pm)
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If the R's and D's agree, it must be a bad idea...
Or, to paraphrase George Carlin's book "Brain Droppings", "Anytime I hear the word 'bipartisan', I think there's larger-than-usual deception going on."
Great book!
Posted by This is my real name on Sep. 05 2013,9:51 am
On a related note, if we do go to war with Syria, I can't help but wonder if the Hinnenkamps and their ilk will protest, or if that's only something they do when we have a Republican president.As I recall, when Obama was elected they stopped protesting, and Ted Hinnenkamp wrote a letter to the editor stating that they had made their point — although the war was not over.
I would find it amusing if a group of people wanted to protest a Syrian conflict on the public sidewalk in front of the Hinnenkamps' house. After all, I'm sure they believe in the Freedom of Speech (which includes our right to peaceably gather and protest).
Posted by Common Citizen on Sep. 05 2013,11:14 am
This just goes to show that candidate Obama didn't have a clue then. Now that he's sitting in the very office he criticized as a Senator and candidate...he still doesn't have a clue. Remember during his campaign he said we could solve the middle east problems by just talking about it? pfft...QUOTE
During his campaign, Obama emphasized the importance of diplomacy and development as tools to aid the U.S. in building new and even stronger alliances, re-building broken relationships and repairing the United States image abroad.[citation needed] In addition, he stated that one of his foreign policy objectives was to combat global poverty, generate wealth and build educated and healthy communities as a means to combat extremism
How's that working out? Does Libya come to mind?
I heard an interesting story on POTUS (Sirius) yesterday and looked into some information on the net that supports the theory < My Webpage > Russia is the main supplier of natural gas to Europe. Qatar and the Saudis, (Turkey?) want to get in on the action but need to build a pipeline across Syria to be a player. Russia and Syria are allies. Syria will not give Qatar or the Saudis access in order to protect Russia's interest. Russia has a naval base in Syria.
The Saudis have offered to help fund US military operations.
If we go in under the guise of protecting our interests...what makes anyone believe Russia wouldn't protect their interest. Obummer has dug himself a hole bigger than the grand canyon. But then, what more can you expect from a community organizer turned war hawk.
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 05 2013,1:05 pm
(Self-Banished @ Sep. 05 2013,5:22 am)
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You gotta love it, bammer now says he didn't draw the redline. And it's not his reputation on the line it's the American people's.
Hey Pedro, post a link to this remark you say President Obama said..
Posted by Glad I Left on Sep. 05 2013,2:30 pm
< Red Line Comment from Whitehouse.gov >20 Aug 2012
Last Question:
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Q So you're confident it’s somehow under -- it's safe?
THE PRESIDENT: In a situation this volatile, I wouldn’t say that I am absolutely confident. What I’m saying is we’re monitoring that situation very carefully. We have put together a range of contingency plans. We have communicated in no uncertain terms with every player in the region that that’s a red line for us and that there would be enormous consequences if we start seeing movement on the chemical weapons front or the use of chemical weapons. That would change my calculations significantly.
THE PRESIDENT: In a situation this volatile, I wouldn’t say that I am absolutely confident. What I’m saying is we’re monitoring that situation very carefully. We have put together a range of contingency plans. We have communicated in no uncertain terms with every player in the region that that’s a red line for us and that there would be enormous consequences if we start seeing movement on the chemical weapons front or the use of chemical weapons. That would change my calculations significantly.
Rebuttal:
< I didn't draw the redline (McClatchy) >
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“I didn’t set a red line, the world set a red line,” Obama said. “My credibility is not on the line. The international community’s credibility is on the line. And America and Congress’ credibility is on the line because we give lip service to the notion that these international norms are important.”
All emphasis mine.
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 05 2013,3:34 pm
You, the United States Congress, agreed to the chemical weapons convention."You, the United States Congress, passed the Syria Accountability Act, which says Syria's chemical weapons - quote, 'threaten the security of the Middle East and the national security interests of the United States,'" he continued. "You, the Congress, have spoken out about grave consequences if Assad in particular used chemical weapons."
< http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-25...ongress >
Law passed by congress in 2003..
I would have to say the red line was drawn by congress a decade ago..
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 05 2013,4:21 pm
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"In a situation this volatile, I wouldn’t say that I am absolutely confident. What I’m saying is we’re monitoring that situation very carefully. We have put together a range of contingency plans. We have communicated in no uncertain terms with every player in the region that that’s a red line for us and that there would be enormous consequences if we start seeing movement on the chemical weapons front or the use of chemical weapons. That would change my calculations significantly."
Kind of hard for President Prairie Chicken from Kenya to 'vote "< present >"' from the Oral Office.
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 05 2013,4:37 pm
You tell 'em
Posted by Botto 82 on Sep. 05 2013,8:16 pm
(This is my real name @ Sep. 05 2013,9:51 am)
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On a related note, if we do go to war with Syria, I can't help but wonder if the Hinnenkamps and their ilk will protest, or if that's only something they do when we have a Republican president.
As I recall, when Obama was elected they stopped protesting, and Ted Hinnenkamp wrote a letter to the editor stating that they had made their point — although the war was not over.
As I recall, when Obama was elected they stopped protesting, and Ted Hinnenkamp wrote a letter to the editor stating that they had made their point — although the war was not over.
It's SOBOWIO Syndrome, or Selective Outrage Based On Who's In Office. I'm pretty sick of it. All the NSA garbage was no big deal to Hannity, when Bush was in office. You can about imagine how his tune's changed since then.
How do we remind the kiester chapeaus in charge that they're playing for keeps, here, and this isn't a frakking game?
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 05 2013,8:21 pm
(alcitizens @ Sep. 05 2013,1:05 pm)
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(Self-Banished @ Sep. 05 2013,5:22 am)
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You gotta love it, bammer now says he didn't draw the redline. And it's not his reputation on the line it's the American people's.
Hey Pedro, post a link to this remark you say President Obama said..
How rude of me, here
< http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/obama-red-line-syria-96287.html >
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 05 2013,8:22 pm
This one too< http://newsbusters.org/blogs...ed-line >
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 06 2013,6:45 am
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United States Congress passed the Syria Accountability Act in 2003., which says Syria's chemical weapons - quote, 'threaten the security of the Middle East and the national security interests of the United States.
Posted by Common Citizen on Sep. 06 2013,7:51 am
Speaking of Syria.Does anyone remember this line from Uncle Joe?
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Sept. 2, 2012, YORK, Pa. (AP) — Vice President Joe Biden said Sunday that Republican rival Mitt Romney is “ready to go to war in Syria and Iran” while hurting the middle class.
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 06 2013,10:00 am
Putin's got to be laughing his ass off at this "ham and egger"
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 06 2013,10:23 am
Can Uncle Joe say < LNG >?At one time, Syria was on board to transport Qatar natural gas to Turkey to be sold in Europe. Two possible routes are from Qatar through Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Iraq to Turkey. The other would go through Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria and on to Turkey.
The Arab countries have long been aware of Syria's stockpile of chemical weapons. They have just looked the other way since it was partly the Arab world's defense against Israel's supposed nuclear arsenal. The U.S. has looked the other way as well dating as far back as the 80's or 90's. Syria has often been rtive of U.S. interests in the region, even nearly reaching a peace deal with Israel at one time not long ago.
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 06 2013,11:29 am
The radical right-wingers stand behind this guy, I would have never guessed..
Posted by This is my real name on Sep. 06 2013,12:08 pm
(Botto 82 @ Sep. 05 2013,8:16 pm)
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(This is my real name @ Sep. 05 2013,9:51 am)
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On a related note, if we do go to war with Syria, I can't help but wonder if the Hinnenkamps and their ilk will protest, or if that's only something they do when we have a Republican president.
As I recall, when Obama was elected they stopped protesting, and Ted Hinnenkamp wrote a letter to the editor stating that they had made their point — although the war was not over.
As I recall, when Obama was elected they stopped protesting, and Ted Hinnenkamp wrote a letter to the editor stating that they had made their point — although the war was not over.
It's SOBOWIO Syndrome, or Selective Outrage Based On Who's In Office. I'm pretty sick of it. All the NSA garbage was no big deal to Hannity, when Bush was in office. You can about imagine how his tune's changed since then.
How do we remind the kiester chapeaus in charge that they're playing for keeps, here, and this isn't a frakking game?
It certainly lends credence to the belief that "they" are keeping us divided by design. It doesn't matter what the party WE like does, only what THE OTHER GUY does.
We will stay divided because we can't support the other side, and the government likes it that way. That way, both sides can screw everyone over and line their own pockets, all while demonizing the convenient OTHER GUY.
Democrat and Republican politicians alike would be oh-so-screwed if everyone voted libertarian.
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 06 2013,12:29 pm
(alcitizens @ Sep. 06 2013,11:29 am)
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The radical right-wingers stand behind this guy, I would have never guessed..
At least Putin acts like a man, instead of some metrosexual-puss like your boy at 1600 Penn.
I am beginning to think all of those stories about ofago and the men that have said they use to, umm polish his knob as they both did drugs.
Face it, your boy is a sissy.
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 06 2013,12:52 pm
Well this makes sense, since McCain said that Saudi would pay for the war, which in turn would make our military men and women mercenaries.< Just read it >
Another interesting note, is that Asaad's father, could not stand the mb and rejected anything and everything the mb and their ilk stood for.
Posted by Glad I Left on Sep. 06 2013,12:56 pm
Well why not? From Saudi's standpoint. Paying for the war is cheap compared to paying for the returning soldiers injuries/trauma for the next 40-60 years after they get back.McCain has become a joke. And to think he could have been president (facepalm)
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 06 2013,3:36 pm
Representative Duncan, R. questioned the administrations' credibility after the Benghazi episode, the Fast and furious and NSA and IRS, etc. There seems to be no accountibility in the White House. QUOTE
"Bottom line is there’s a need for accountability and trust-building from the administration,” he said. “The administration has a credibility issue.”
“Mr. Kerry, your predecessor asked, ‘What difference does it make now?’” he continued, referring then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s infamous hearing outburst earlier this year. “Well, this is the difference, Mr. Secretary.”
“These issues call into question the accountability of this administration,” Duncan said. “Its commitment to the personnel on the ground, and the judgment that it uses when, making these determinations. The American people deserve answers before they move forward talking about military involvement in Syria.”
Then he goes on to ask this question. “Mr. Kerry, your predecessor asked, ‘What difference does it make now?’” he continued, referring then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s infamous hearing outburst earlier this year. “Well, this is the difference, Mr. Secretary.”
“These issues call into question the accountability of this administration,” Duncan said. “Its commitment to the personnel on the ground, and the judgment that it uses when, making these determinations. The American people deserve answers before they move forward talking about military involvement in Syria.”
QUOTE
“The reason that I say Benghazi is germane to our discussion on Syria is this: Secretary Kerry, have there been any efforts on the part of the United States directly or indirectly to provide weapons to the Syrian rebels? That would also include facilitating the transfer of weapons from Libyan rebels to Syrian rebels,”
Whereas Kerry flips out and goes into full spin mode. Kerry never did answer this question.< Kerry challenged >
Credibility. When was the last time the Obama White House had that?
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 07 2013,9:19 am
It wasn't me, it was us. It must be bigger than George. It's the world now.Don't blame the marketing department. The buck stops with the chief executive. -John D. Rockefeller
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 07 2013,12:14 pm
Our president is becoming more of an embarrassment everyday also becoming a liability.
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 07 2013,3:15 pm
(Self-Banished @ Sep. 07 2013,12:14 pm)
QUOTE
Our president is becoming more of an embarrassment everyday also becoming a liability.
I'm waiting for him to become expendable.
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 07 2013,5:13 pm
The radical right-wingers stand behind this guy, I would have never guessed.
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 07 2013,5:49 pm
(alcitizens @ Sep. 07 2013,5:13 pm)
QUOTE
The radical right-wingers stand behind this guy, I would have never guessed.
Better than the alternative in the region, such a the mb.
But then again since sissy boy is a mb member, it would make sense he would want his buds in power.
Posted by Glad I Left on Sep. 08 2013,9:37 am
(alcitizens @ Sep. 07 2013,5:13 pm)
QUOTE
The radical right-wingers stand behind this guy, I would have never guessed.
I don't stand behind either of them. Thus I say we stay the hell out of there. It's a no win situation, which devil do you support?
Which one will harm you less?
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 08 2013,1:19 pm
The radical right-wingers stand behind this guy, I would have never guessed. President of Iran
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 08 2013,1:36 pm
^'yes and the dems stood behind the Allatoya Komani in the 70's
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 08 2013,6:33 pm
(alcitizens @ Sep. 07 2013,5:13 pm)
QUOTE
The radical right-wingers stand behind this guy, I would have never guessed.
You're repeating yourself. So tell me. Where do you stand. Are you able to do it on your own?
Your opinion alki. What should Bambino do?
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 08 2013,7:34 pm
WOW! Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 08 2013,9:59 pm
(MADDOG @ Sep. 08 2013,6:33 pm)
QUOTE
You're repeating yourself. So tell me. Where do you stand. Are you able to do it on your own?
Your opinion alki. What should Bambino do?
Your opinion alki. What should Bambino do?
Gas your people and you will have the wrath of the world come down on you.. Maybe not today, but tomorrow..
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 09 2013,6:35 am
(alcitizens @ Sep. 08 2013,9:59 pm)
QUOTE
(MADDOG @ Sep. 08 2013,6:33 pm)
QUOTE
You're repeating yourself. So tell me. Where do you stand. Are you able to do it on your own?
Your opinion alki. What should Bambino do?
Your opinion alki. What should Bambino do?
Gas your people and you will have the wrath of the world come down on you.. Maybe not today, but tomorrow..
Does anyone besides me feel that alki is dodging the question I asked?
I asked you alki, where do you stand and what do you think Bambino should do?
Posted by Common Citizen on Sep. 09 2013,8:23 am
(alcitizens @ Sep. 08 2013,9:59 pm)
QUOTE
(MADDOG @ Sep. 08 2013,6:33 pm)
QUOTE
You're repeating yourself. So tell me. Where do you stand. Are you able to do it on your own?
Your opinion alki. What should Bambino do?
Your opinion alki. What should Bambino do?
Gas your people and you will have the wrath of the world come down on you.. Maybe not today, but tomorrow..
So by your statement then you supported Bush's decision to go into Iraq?
Good to know.
Posted by Glad I Left on Sep. 09 2013,10:05 am
It's only a bad idea when the guy you didn't support is in office.#mondaymorningQB
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 09 2013,10:43 am
Most of his supporters don't agree with him. QUOTE
Washington (CNN) -- As President Barack Obama presses his case for a strike on Syria, a new national survey shows him swimming against a strong tide of public opinion that doesn't want the U.S. to get involved.
The CNN/ORC International poll released Monday shows that even though eight in 10 Americans believe that Bashar al-Assad's regime gassed its own people, a strong majority doesn't want Congress to pass a resolution authorizing a military strike against it.
More than seven in 10 say such a strike would not achieve significant goals for the U.S.
< CNN poll >
The CNN/ORC International poll released Monday shows that even though eight in 10 Americans believe that Bashar al-Assad's regime gassed its own people, a strong majority doesn't want Congress to pass a resolution authorizing a military strike against it.
More than seven in 10 say such a strike would not achieve significant goals for the U.S.
< CNN poll >
Posted by Alfy Packer on Sep. 09 2013,11:50 am
WMD's - Bad!Syria - Bad!
Red Line Obama - Week, ineffective, indecisive, without much of a game plan, lacking an objective, but wanting to give Bashar al-Assad a spanking. Wonder why nobody wants to follow him into a no boots on the ground, military strike, that is not suppose to topple the Assad government. Why doesn't he just send Bashar to his bed room with out his supper?
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 09 2013,12:23 pm
QUOTE
Bashar Assad denied his regime's use of chemical weapons in a wide-ranging interview with CBS News' Charlie Rose.
Assad said he had no knowledge of the chemical attack allegedly carried out by his own military, and took aim at Secretary of State John Kerry for making the charges without "a single shred" of evidence.
"We-- we're not in the area where... the alleged chemical attack was happened, as is alleged. We're not sure that anything happened," Assad insisted.
"Our soldiers in another area were attacked chemically, our soldiers. They went to the hospital, as casualties because of chemical weapons. But in the area where they said the government used chemical weapons, we only had video and we only have pictures and allegations. We're not there. Our forces -- our police, our institutions don't exist. How can you talk about what happened if you don't have evidences? We're not like the American administration. We're not social media administration or government. We are the government that deals with reality."
< CBS interview >
Assad said he had no knowledge of the chemical attack allegedly carried out by his own military, and took aim at Secretary of State John Kerry for making the charges without "a single shred" of evidence.
"We-- we're not in the area where... the alleged chemical attack was happened, as is alleged. We're not sure that anything happened," Assad insisted.
"Our soldiers in another area were attacked chemically, our soldiers. They went to the hospital, as casualties because of chemical weapons. But in the area where they said the government used chemical weapons, we only had video and we only have pictures and allegations. We're not there. Our forces -- our police, our institutions don't exist. How can you talk about what happened if you don't have evidences? We're not like the American administration. We're not social media administration or government. We are the government that deals with reality."
< CBS interview >
I guess it boils down to the public deciding who to believe. Assad or the el presidente who has been lying to us about Benghazi for a year. I guess it boils down to deciding whether we want to follow Bambino down another path to war.
< German press says no. >
< Chemical weapons used in Syria without Assad's approval >
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 09 2013,4:43 pm
(MADDOG @ Sep. 09 2013,6:35 am)
QUOTE
I asked you alki, where do you stand and what do you think Bambino should do?
I support giving Assad a good bitch slapping.. I support Obama..
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 09 2013,5:34 pm
^ ah, blindly following
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 09 2013,5:44 pm
Oh this is so good, < http://www.businessinsider.com/how-vla...-2013-9 >
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 09 2013,7:14 pm
Syrian Parliament Letter to U.S. Congress: Let Us Cooperate Against Our Common Enemy, Saudi-funded Al-qaida The following letters were sent from the Speaker of the People's Assembly of the Syrian Arab Republic on Sept. 4, to Speaker of the House Rep. John Boehner. Because of their crucial importance, we provide the texts in full, as presented.
Greetings,
Please find attached an urgent formal Open Letter from myself as Speaker of the Syrian Parliament. I am sending this on behalf of the Members of the Syrian People's Assembly. The institution that has functioned continuously since its foundation in 1919.
In view of today's crucial debate on a possible American military attack on our country, it is vital that the attached letter to be circulated immediately to every Congress Member prior to the debate.
In addition, we kindly ask you read out the letter during the opening stages of the debate in order to ensure that the Honourable Members are fully appraised [sic] of the situation in Syria and of the proposals included in the attached letter, and in order to ensure that the full text of the letter is registered in your records.
It is important to note that we have sent an explanatory letter regarding the situation in Syria to our colleagues at the British Parliament who took the responsibility to exhaust all avenues of diplomacy before involving their nation into war.
We hope that your Honourable Members will also take a similar approach.
Yours faithfully,
Speaker of People's Assembly
MHD. Jihd AL-LAHHAM
Dear Sirs and Madams,
"If civilization is to survive, we must cultivate the science of human relationships — the ability of all peoples, to live together, in the same world at peace."
Franklin D. Roosevelt
We write to you urgently as you are debating the process of launching an attack on Syria. Additionally, we write to you as fellow Parliamentarians and representatives of our peoples.
It is still important that, we write to you as fathers and mothers, as members of families and communities which really are not so different to yours. Moreover, we write to you as human beings asking: if you bomb us, shall we not bleed?! The innocent people will be harmed.
Local tragedies become regional wars that led to global conflict because of the lack of communication among nations. We urge you to communicate with us through civilized dialogue rather than the language of fire and blood.
In Syria, we are keeping in mind the American dream of family values, the opportunity of success in a peaceful environment. James Truslow Adams said in 1931, "life should be better and richer and fuller for everyone, with opportunity for each according to ability or achievement" regardless of social class, religion or circumstances of birth.
Before your debate at the Congress let's recall the following:
1. Common facts:
* The main factor of 9/11 attacks was the hatred Wahhabi Jihadist Ideology adopted and financed by Saudis.
* The hatred Wahhabi Jihadist Ideology was born from the Muslim Brotherhood jihadist doctrine. One of the living example is Omar Abdel Rahman, who's actually in your prison, where many parties claiming to be your allies are seeking his release.
* More than 3 trillion USD, hundreds of thousands of killed and injured Americans and Iraqis and millions of Iraqi refugees were the cost of the ongoing military war on terrorism.
* Due to the Saudi money the Salafi Wahhabi different jihadist "Madrassas" are still operating and where thousands of kids are graduated every year from these terrorist centers.
* Kitchen tools plus Wahhabi Ideology are the main factors behind the horrible terrorist attacks around the world and Boston crime is the living example of the present and future sleeping cells model.
* Since late seventies, Syria was the first country that faced fundamentalist fanatic terrorism.
* Now, Syria is fighting tens of thousands of Non-Syrian jihadists.
* Syria is the last living genuine secular state in the Middle East.
* The United States and Syria both suffered and are still suffering from the terror of the same enemy which is the hatred Wahhabi Ideology adopted and financed by Saudis.
* Both of our countries fully supported the Security Council resolutions 1373 and 1624 to combat terrorism.
"I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made "
Franklin D. Roosevelt
The main common enemy to our two nations is the hatred wahhabi Jihadi ideology represented by Al- Qaida, A1 Nusra Front and its affiliates,
2-Alleged Chemical Attacks:
2-1 Evidences of possessing Chemical Weapons by the armed fanatic terrorist groups:
* On 19.03.2013 Khan Al-Asal, Aleppo chemical attack on civilians and military personnel, Syrian Government asked on 20.03.2013 for an immediate UN investigation.
The investigation Team visit was delayed for more than 5 months by US, France and UK intervention.
* On 30.05.2013 Turkey announced the capture of an Islamist fanatic terrorist group possessing two litres of Sarin Gas. Therefore, Mr. Sergey Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, on 31.05.2013 urged the Turkish Government to cooperate to avoid the possibility of any future chemical attack in the Middle East and Europe.
* On 01.06.2013 the Iraqi Army announced the capture of a fundamentalist fanatic terrorist group on the Iraqi-Syrian borders, and seized chemical weapons and a remote control of a small helicopter.
* On 28.07.2013 the Syrian authorities handed to the Russian and Chinese diplomatic missions in Damascus the evidence of the possessing chemical weapon by al Nusra Front and their intention to use them to attack Muaaret al Numan and the suburb of Aleppo.
Conclusion: the above facts proves that the fundamentalist Jihadist terrorist groups possessed and used chemical weapons previously.
2-2 Question: Logically, what is the benefit of the Syrian Government to commit a chemical attack crime during the visit of the U.N. Independent International Commission of Inquiry on Syria within less than 4 miles from the Commission residence at Four Seasons Hotel?!
3. For that reason, we urge you to come to Syria, to send a delegation, as soon as you can to see and discover for yourselves what is going on here. We invite you to come to Syria to measure the situation before you cut—especially when the cloth that will be cut is human flesh. Where we can together generate a road map for a joint effective effort against terrorism.
We believe that such an aggressive and unjustified act of war would be unfair and illegal due to the following reasons:
a) Syria is a sovereign state that does not pose any threat to the United States of America;
b) The UN Security Council did not adopt such an action.
c) The UN Report about the terrible incident in Damascus Countryside - Ghotta- has not been formulated. No-one can even know whether it will include enough evidence for any claims and allegations.
d) On the contrary, the UN has already concluded that there is a very strong evidence that the fundamentalist terrorists from the al-Nusrah Front - a terrorist organization affiliated to al Qaeda- have used a poison gas against Syrian soldiers and innocent civilians. Consequently, any aggressive act against innocent and sovereign people, without any legal evidence, would be a criminal act breaching the principles of the International Law. While some of the western circles are offering all possible support to the fanatic Wahhabi rebels who were accused of committing crimes by the UN, which is surely a breach of your declared basic principles of justice.
We highly appreciate your moral feeling of sorrow at the images of the chemical attack victims. We the Syrians, are fully co-operating with the UN Investigation Team, Syrian experts are also investigating the question of who carried out this atrocity and sharing the UN Team with the results. We Parliamentarians, are determined to reach the truth and to bring the involved criminals to justice, regardless whoever they are.
In the meantime we urge you not to rush into any irresponsible reckless action. You have the power and the responsibility today to convert the United States of America from the war track to the diplomatic path. We hope to meet there, and to talk, as civilised peoples should. We adopt a diplomatic solution, as we realize that war would be a bloody destructive catastrophic track, which does not have any benefit for all nations.
In fact, the most important matter is that we all face the same terrorist threat. Attacking Syria and weakening its establishments and infrastructure would automatically strengthen the power of our common enemy, Al Qaida and its terrorist affiliates. Instead of fighting each other, we should be working together to fully implement UN Security Council Resolutions 1373 and 1624 against terror. Instead of being enemies, we should be walking the road to peace and truth together.
With Best Regards,
Speaker of People's Assembly
MHD. Jihad AL-LAHHAM
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Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 09 2013,7:20 pm
So my question is,When Barry and Michelle are humping does Michelle have fantasies of Putin?
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 09 2013,7:44 pm
(Self-Banished @ Sep. 09 2013,7:20 pm)
QUOTE
So my question is,
When Barry and Michelle are humping does Michelle have fantasies of Putin?
When Barry and Michelle are humping does Michelle have fantasies of Putin?
I think it would more on the lines of this...
Posted by Alfy Packer on Sep. 09 2013,8:13 pm
Leader of the free World, defender of freedom, who's big mouth has diminished the Presidency and this Great Country by extemporaneously speaking off message. Making a threat that he had to pay for in blood, but when his bluff is called, he neither can put up or shut up! Worsted President ever!! We now know the CHANGE he was talking about, and it is far from what I could have imagined. God Save Us because I don't think the Russians will save anything but Obama's face!
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 09 2013,8:33 pm
(Grinning_Dragon @ Sep. 09 2013,7:44 pm)
QUOTE
(Self-Banished @ Sep. 09 2013,7:20 pm)
QUOTE
So my question is,
When Barry and Michelle are humping does Michelle have fantasies of Putin?
When Barry and Michelle are humping does Michelle have fantasies of Putin?
I think it would more on the lines of this...
Stop it stop it stop it, I just sh!t myself
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Sep. 10 2013,11:09 am
The U.S. government is the biggest terrorist organization there is. Doesn't matter if republicans or democrats are "in charge", it's completely ridiculous. The U.S. constantly for decades has thrown other countries into chaos to suit their "national interests" all over the globe. If a country doesn't bow to America they do whatever they have to do to make sure they get a puppet leader for that country. And NO MATTER WHAT, that puppet is allowed to do anything to anyone so long as he is useful to "U.S. interests".
As far back as Reagen they helped Saddam Hussein get chemical and biological weapons- that information has already been put into the forum. When he used them on Iranians and even his own people the U.S. looked the other way... until he wasn't useful anymore.
For godsake they even let him get away with hitting a U.S. Naval ship with 2 missiles killing 30some americans in 87.
They killed hundreds of thousands in Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia by using Agent Orange in breach of every single International Agreement there is by poisoning not only the people for several generations, but poisoning the ground and water so they couldn't even eat. Not just the people of those countries but the U.S. military men they sent to fight that BS war started by a lie in the first damn place.
When Hussein used white phosphorous as a weapon in 91, the U.S. called it a "chemical weapon". But apparently it's ok for the U.S. and Israel to use it in that way.
The U.S. intentionally destroyed the water/sewer systems of Iraq, knowing full well how devastating it would be for the people, and for over a decade kept them from having the ability to have safer water-Again breaking every known International Agreement. Killing hundreds of thousands, or quite possibly, over 1 million innocent people. Men, women, children, babies. -Because their leader was no longer useful to us.
The U.S. shoots down a civilian aircraft in Iran killing almost 300 innocent people, lies it's butt off for a few years, and even when the truth does finally come out, NOTHING HAPPENS.
I can't even imagine how many innocent deaths the U.S. is responsible for by just meddling with other countries and throwing them into chaos.
What other countries can get away with BS like this, and how many other countries would the citizens ALLOW their government to keep getting away with such things? I'm sure the PTB figured the majority of American citizens were sufficiently dumbed down enough to let them attack Syria, they're probably surprised by the push against it. I highly doubt they are worried about citizens of the U.S. actually doing anything about it if the government does decide to attack Syria anyway. What would the people do? Write letters? Protest?-highly unlikely. Most likely they would just vote republican in the next election- because voting changes everything.
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 10 2013,9:06 pm
It played out. That sly bugger made Syria and Russia flinch. Bambino's threat of a military strike pressured those two to diplomacy. Russia will take Assad's chemicals and the Middle East will once again be safe from non-conventional war. He asked Congress not to vote on a decision therefore no risking the world. He just plain made everything better and alki can now rest better knowing that Bambino didn't have to biotch slap Assad.
Posted by Botto 82 on Sep. 11 2013,1:50 am
This country is about to get its ass kicked. It's about time.We've meddled in the affairs of so many other governments, and, when we felt it necessary, overthrew their leaders, that we really have no business pointing fingers.
Our hubris, wrapped in some warped sense of patriotism, will be our ultimate undoing. A bunch of drooling NFL-tards, chanting "USA! USA!" and such will not pull us back from the abyss we're headed for.
I just hope I get to see this crapstorm on my watch.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Sep. 11 2013,10:36 am
Botto:QUOTE
Our hubris, wrapped in some warped sense of patriotism, will be our ultimate undoing. A bunch of drooling NFL-tards, chanting "USA! USA!" and such will not pull us back from the abyss we're headed for.
I hope you don't mind, I'd really love to use that exact quote at times.Botto:
QUOTE
I just hope I get to see this crapstorm on my watch.
There's a small vindictive part of me that would like to see that too at times. But then I tell myself that, for the most part, it's not our fault for being so dumbed-down and clueless. We're lied to CONSTANTLY and we've been programmed to think this country is the greatest country on earth. Most honest, most humanitarian. We're lied to by our leaders and propaganda filled mainstream media. Not many people involved with either of those entities dare to be vocal, even if they do know more than the rest of us.
Also, it won't be just the just the hubristic hate-filled morons who get caught in the crapstorm. It will be all of us. And our children, our grandchildren.
There was a quote and a link put in here from an interview from a military general or captain a year or so ago who, when asked about the reasoning for bombing the total crap out of Iraq's infrastructure, responded that it was justified because the people of Iraq were not completely innocent. The people are responsible for what their government does.
I should think the same applies to America. Even more so since the people of this country are so much more involved and aware of their governments' actions. Heck, WE are the government. Right?
It would be nice to think everything is hunky-dory and that everything is just going to keep going as it is in this country for eternity, and that our biggest problems (taxes, wealth disparity, healthcare, military spending, and Miley Cyrus becoming a total tramp) will all eventually be solved sometime soon. Some of those things are problems that need addressing, but they are by far not our biggest. And if ALOT more people in this country don't stop hiding from reality and don't start getting involved, then that crapstorm you mentioned is going to hit like a ton of bricks.
For our childrens' sakes I would rather see the crapstorm averted, or at least just minimized to a crapdrizzle.
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 11 2013,11:56 am
It's confirmed. It was Obama's threat that scared Assad into negotiations to begin to dismantle their chemicals under the supervision of the Ruskies. < Jay Carney said so. >
Posted by Glad I Left on Sep. 11 2013,12:13 pm
(Botto 82 @ Sep. 11 2013,1:50 am)
QUOTE
Our hubris, wrapped in some warped sense of patriotism, will be our ultimate undoing. A bunch of drooling NFL-tards, chanting "USA! USA!" and such will not pull us back from the abyss we're headed for.
You are right. Only prosperity through taxation, errrr investments, err... paying your fair share will bring that about.
Lets face it. For the most part, the politicians we elect are not a representation of the populace as a whole. They do what they want and what suits their best interests.
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 11 2013,3:20 pm
(Glad I Left @ Sep. 11 2013,12:13 pm)
QUOTE
They do what they want and what suits their best interests.
Perfect!! Do what the majority wants or get voted out.. So Simple..
< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy >
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 11 2013,3:39 pm
(alcitizens @ Sep. 11 2013,3:20 pm)
QUOTE
(Glad I Left @ Sep. 11 2013,12:13 pm)
QUOTE
They do what they want and what suits their best interests.
Perfect!! Do what the majority wants or get voted out.. So Simple..
< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy >
The US isn't a democracy.
So the majority can go suck it!
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 11 2013,3:59 pm
(Grinning_Dragon @ Sep. 11 2013,3:39 pm)
QUOTE
The US isn't a democracy.
So the majority can go suck it!
So the majority can go suck it!
Please forgive me for what I'm about to say..
You are officially a DUMBA$$
Two Democratic state lawmakers who backed tighter gun laws in the aftermath of mass shootings in Colorado and Connecticut have been voted out of office in a recall election..
< http://www.theguardian.com/world...ecticut >
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 11 2013,4:25 pm
(alcitizens @ Sep. 11 2013,3:59 pm)
QUOTE
(Grinning_Dragon @ Sep. 11 2013,3:39 pm)
QUOTE
The US isn't a democracy.
So the majority can go suck it!
So the majority can go suck it!
Please forgive me for what I'm about to say..
You are officially a DUMBA$$
Two Democratic state lawmakers who backed tighter gun laws in the aftermath of mass shootings in Colorado and Connecticut have been voted out of office in a recall election..
< http://www.theguardian.com/world...ecticut >
Im the dumba$$
The recall is specified in Colorado's Constitution and the process in which an elected moron can be recalled.
I know this is hard for you to understand, but having a direct democracy in any state would lead to chaos.
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 11 2013,4:54 pm
(Grinning_Dragon @ Sep. 11 2013,4:25 pm)
QUOTE
Im the dumba$$
The recall is specified in Colorado's Constitution and the process in which an elected moron can be recalled.
I know this is hard for you to understand, but having a direct democracy in any state would lead to chaos.
The recall is specified in Colorado's Constitution and the process in which an elected moron can be recalled.
I know this is hard for you to understand, but having a direct democracy in any state would lead to chaos.
You seriously need to cut back on the minnow weed..
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 11 2013,6:33 pm
GD's absolutely right, we live in a representative republic. Not a democracy
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 11 2013,6:39 pm
And the stakes get higher
Posted by Botto 82 on Sep. 11 2013,8:18 pm
(Self-Banished @ Sep. 11 2013,6:33 pm)
QUOTE
GD's absolutely right, we live in a representative republic.
Not a democracy
Not a democracy
Really? What's representative of what the people want regarding any of the big pushes from Washington in the last decade? Obamacare? NSA spying? Big corporate subsidies? Drone strikes? Ca$h for Klunkers? Big bank bailouts?
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 11 2013,9:27 pm
I figured that ship was one of Russia's carrier killers.QUOTE
< Russia’s Moskva missile cruiser >, dubbed a “carrier-killer” by NATO, has passed through the Straits of Gibraltar and is now heading toward the eastern Mediterranean to assume command of the Russian naval force there.
“The Black Sea flagship entered the Russian Navy's area of responsibility in the Mediterranean at 11:00 pm Moscow time yesterday," (Sep. 10) the agency reported a military source as saying.
“The Black Sea flagship entered the Russian Navy's area of responsibility in the Mediterranean at 11:00 pm Moscow time yesterday," (Sep. 10) the agency reported a military source as saying.
Obama isn't going to start anything yet. He doesn't have his full plan in place yet. Kerry screwed him up the other day. Obama is giong to start something sooner or more than likely later. He's too arrogant not to.
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 11 2013,9:45 pm
(Botto 82 @ Sep. 11 2013,8:18 pm)
QUOTE
Really? What's representative of what the people want regarding any of the big pushes from Washington in the last decade? Obamacare? NSA spying? Big corporate subsidies? Drone strikes? Ca$h for Klunkers? Big bank bailouts?
Just curious Botto, what country in the world would you rather live in than the U.S.A.?
You bitch about the laws passed by our "representative government" yet you don't vote..
Your opinion is mute..
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 12 2013,11:39 am
Just thinking of the possibility.
What caused this ship to sink. What was it's < cargo >. < Update MOL Comfort 1st July 2013 >
QUOTE
Vital weapons shipments from the United States have begun to arrive in rebel fighting units that oppose the regime of dictator Bashar al-Assad in Syria, according to sources on both ends of the transactions.
The light arms, ammunition and other small, trackable armaments – likely grenades, mortars and shells – are coming via clandestine CIA operations in a significant escalation of U.S. involvement in the 30-month-long civil war.
< Daily Mail Sept 12 >
The light arms, ammunition and other small, trackable armaments – likely grenades, mortars and shells – are coming via clandestine CIA operations in a significant escalation of U.S. involvement in the 30-month-long civil war.
< Daily Mail Sept 12 >
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Sep. 12 2013,3:15 pm
al:QUOTE
You bitch about the laws passed by our "representative government" yet you don't vote..
Your opinion is mute..
Your opinion is mute..
Just curious al, why did you vote for Obama? Why did you vote for Clinton. I really want to know. Which campaign promises? Did you still support them after their first terms?
MADDOG, wow media black-out indeed. There's barely any mention of it even on most alternative news sites- I would think at least some of the more conspiratorial sites would have mentioned it.
I'm still curious about the arms shipment from Libya bound for Syrian rebels April 2012. After Benghazi happened I especially was wondering about that. I haven't been able to find anything that mentions which port in Libya that shipment came from.
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 12 2013,3:29 pm
Morons.< http://gcaptain.com/mol-box-ship-suffers-broken-back-sinks-off-yeme/ >
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Sep. 12 2013,3:50 pm
(Liberal @ Sep. 12 2013,3:29 pm)
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Morons.
< http://gcaptain.com/mol-box-ship-suffers-broken-back-sinks-off-yeme/ >
< http://gcaptain.com/mol-box-ship-suffers-broken-back-sinks-off-yeme/ >
I can't believe you of all people on this forum would still dare call anyone names, since you of all people on this forum have made yourself look like one of the least intelligent, flip-flopping liar of all time.
Thanks for the link, didn't need it though, the first website I went to after reading MADDOGs' link was the MOL company website.
< http://www.mol.co.jp/en/pr/2013/13045.html >
Anyone curious as to why there is barely any mention of this anywhere is a moron?
Yeah, cuz shipping containers snap in half all the time. And no media outlets ever care if a ship with 1,500 metric tons of fuel oil might pose a danger to the sea.
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 12 2013,4:06 pm
Containers ship sometimes break in half while being loaded. Of course there is always the possibility a Russian sub attacked a ship crewed by Russians with a really weak torpedo that just broke the ship in half without sinking it. Shouldn't you be getting back to the hospital?
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Sep. 12 2013,4:32 pm
(Liberal @ Sep. 12 2013,4:06 pm)
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Containers ship sometimes break in half while being loaded. Of course there is always the possibility a Russian sub attacked a ship crewed by Russians with a really weak torpedo that just broke the ship in half without sinking it.
Shouldn't you be getting back to the hospital?
Shouldn't you be getting back to the hospital?
I never said anything about Russians attacking the ship. I forgot, you have reading comprehension issues.
At least MADDOG questions things that happen and doesn't have blind faith in our BS leaders.
I've noticed you haven't given any input about Obama's stance on Syria. No opinion? Something this big and you have no opinion?
This administration is just as contemptible as the last one. Last several.
Or is your opinion the same as alcitizens
Yay Obama! Kill kill KILL!! LIE LIE LIE KILL KILL KILL liberal:
QUOTE
Shouldn't you be getting back to the hospital?
Like I said before. I'm not the one who looks like a delusional crazy person. You are. And if you had any friends in this forum they would tell you that themselves.
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 12 2013,5:20 pm
(Liberal @ Sep. 12 2013,3:29 pm)
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Morons.
< http://gcaptain.com/mol-box-ship-suffers-broken-back-sinks-off-yeme/ >
< http://gcaptain.com/mol-box-ship-suffers-broken-back-sinks-off-yeme/ >
I read that article also.
QUOTE
Of course there is always the possibility a Russian sub attacked a ship crewed by Russians
That isn't much different than a U.S. President using drones to kill Americans is it?
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 12 2013,5:47 pm
You and Rosalind should see if the hospital offers a group rate
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 12 2013,8:41 pm
Just thinking of the possibility. What caused this ship to sink. No definitive answer. No proof of cargo. Strange circumstances.
Maybe it was just some conspiracy.
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 12 2013,9:17 pm
The ship was headed from Jeddah to Singapore, it was Japanese owned, flying a Bahamian flag, and the crew was from Russia and the Philippines and you kooks think it had Syrian arms?Morons.
Posted by Botto 82 on Sep. 13 2013,12:05 am
(alcitizens @ Sep. 11 2013,9:45 pm)
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(Botto 82 @ Sep. 11 2013,8:18 pm)
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Really? What's representative of what the people want regarding any of the big pushes from Washington in the last decade? Obamacare? NSA spying? Big corporate subsidies? Drone strikes? Ca$h for Klunkers? Big bank bailouts?
Just curious Botto, what country in the world would you rather live in than the U.S.A.?
You bitch about the laws passed by our "representative government" yet you don't vote..
Your opinion is mute..
First of all, it's "moot," not "mute," moron.
Secondly, I have voted in every election since I was 18, not that it really matters much who gets elected President anymore.
And finally, I'd move to any country that's not wall-to-wall with arrogant, selfish, uneducated consumerist idiots.
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 13 2013,1:35 am
(Botto 82 @ Sep. 13 2013,12:05 am)
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First of all, it's "moot," not "mute," moron.
Secondly, I have voted in every election since I was 18, not that it really matters much who gets elected President anymore.
And finally, I'd move to any country that's not wall-to-wall with arrogant, selfish, uneducated consumerist idiots.
Secondly, I have voted in every election since I was 18, not that it really matters much who gets elected President anymore.
And finally, I'd move to any country that's not wall-to-wall with arrogant, selfish, uneducated consumerist idiots.
I can't hear you..
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 13 2013,10:09 am
Isn't name calling a verbal response caused when the emotional side of the brain overrides the rational side? Usually when a person has to use name-calling, it is because they have a personality or emotional disorder.We had a county administrator with similar issues a few years ago.
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 13 2013,3:22 pm
(alcitizens @ Sep. 09 2013,4:43 pm)
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(MADDOG @ Sep. 09 2013,6:35 am)
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I asked you alki, where do you stand and what do you think Bambino should do?
I support giving Assad a good bitch slapping.. I support Obama..
For Obambot Alki.
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 13 2013,4:10 pm
(MADDOG @ Sep. 13 2013,10:09 am)
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Isn't name calling a verbal response caused when the emotional side of the brain overrides the rational side? Usually when a person has to use name-calling, it is because they have a personality or emotional disorder.
We had a county administrator with similar issues a few years ago.
We had a county administrator with similar issues a few years ago.
After going several months only reading nothing but right-wing, conspiratorial, libertarian, dumb ass, moronic, ridiculous and nothing but stupid comments at this forum where I prefer to discuss local and world issues, the rational side of my brain explodes and turns into one big fat irrational brain..
I'm open to others opinions, but when this site turns into the Radical Right-Wing Red State Forum, I just have to step in and start bitch slapping all the idiots..
Use words, not guns..
I call it a verbal massacre..
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 13 2013,5:23 pm
Guess what? Obama, the most anti-war President since Clinton has ended an attack on Assad before it even started.. With words.. Now that is Power.. Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 14 2013,1:31 pm
Gee whiz. Just four days earlier you gave your own different opinion. QUOTE
I support giving Assad a good bitch slapping.. I support Obama
Guys like you deserve Bambino.
Can you say American exceptionalism?
Now that's an oxymoron since obama took office.
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 14 2013,1:49 pm
(alcitizens @ Sep. 13 2013,5:23 pm)
QUOTE
Guess what? Obama, the most anti-war President since Clinton has ended an attack on Assad before it even started.. With words.. Now that is Power..
It's far, far from over there buttercup.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Sep. 14 2013,1:57 pm
al you poor guy. You really think they are giving up on Syria? Most of the world wants the US to stop meddling in Syria and other countries. The US knew that before they started acting on Syria.
The constant heated rhetoric coming from the administration threatening strikes on Syria over using chemical weapons, so much so, that the UN inspectors left early and didn't even get a chance to visit all the places they wanted or the sites that the Syrian government themselves asked them to investigate. Do you really think that Israel and the US were having an innocent missile test just a couple of days after the inspectors left?
Really, the world is bracing for WWIII, and they launch missiles (unannounced), right after constant threats to do so. Then both Israel and US deny it, and shortly after admit to it.
You really think they are that stupid? Sounds more like an attempt at an intentional provocation.
The Syrian government
will do something evil again soon. Or maybe Iran will. Look at what we've been doing in the middle east for so long in so many countries. I know there's a few people in this forum who think all these countries are POS and are full of POS children and babies who should all just be nuked into oblivion, but for some reason those people don't seem to consider the possible blow-back.
We're not fighting terrorism, we're creating terrorists.
SB:
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It's far, far from over there buttercup.
HA, ya slipped that in while I was typing.
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 14 2013,3:01 pm
^What can I say? You've been away awhile, you're a little rusty Nice to see you back.
Posted by Botto 82 on Sep. 14 2013,5:36 pm
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Sep. 14 2013,1:57 pm)
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Look at what we've been doing in the middle east for so long in so many countries. I know there's a few people in this forum who think all these countries are POS and are full of POS children and babies who should all just be nuked into oblivion, but for some reason those people don't seem to consider the possible blow-back.
We're not fighting terrorism, we're creating terrorists.
We're not fighting terrorism, we're creating terrorists.
Yes we are, and out of thin air, when we need to. When you consider key members of Bush's Administration gained far more from 9/11 than the bearded former CIA operative in a cave ever could dream of, you have to wonder who the real terrorists are.
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 14 2013,7:57 pm
Iran's ruling mullahs are Syria's main ally in the region and view the survival of the Assad regime as important to their aims. Mehdi Taeb, confidant of Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, said Syria is Iran's "35th province. … If we lose Syria we won't be able to hold Tehran," writes Karim Sadjapour, an Iran expert at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.Syria provides Iran a port on the Mediterranean Sea and a transit to Iran's terrorist proxy in Lebanon, Hezbollah. Iran is suspected of helping Syria evade U.S. and European sanctions by selling its oil on the international market, according to a report from Reuters.
< http://www.usatoday.com/story...2723629 >
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 14 2013,8:03 pm
^ and your point is??
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 14 2013,8:45 pm
So Syria provides a port to the Mediterranean. Iran must go through Iraq or Turkey to reach it. Pay attention. Syria is not our civil war. Obama's hippopotamus mouth got him hung out to dry. The Vlad has got bambino staring at the Forest of the Impaled.The problem is Iran, not Syria. Always has been. Bambino is a fool. He's so used to distracting the liberal and light-headed population that he's been suckered at his own modus operandi.
So alki, what's your opinion on what Bambino should do today? Still think he sould slap Assad around a little?
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 14 2013,9:15 pm
(Self-Banished @ Sep. 14 2013,8:03 pm)
QUOTE
^ and your point is??
?Russia doesn't want Iran with nuclear weapons or Syria with chemical weapons.. Russia is working with the U.S. to weaken Syria prior to a strike on Iran..
Putin was with the KGB, he knows deceit better than most..
Putin doesn't want the wrath of U.S. and Israel nukes or chemical weapons from Syria flying around in his own neighborhood when the world obliterate's Iran's nuclear program..
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 14 2013,9:31 pm
(alcitizens @ Sep. 14 2013,9:15 pm)
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Putin doesn't want the wrath of U.S.
Good point.
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 14 2013,9:52 pm
(MADDOG @ Sep. 14 2013,9:31 pm)
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(alcitizens @ Sep. 14 2013,9:15 pm)
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Putin doesn't want the wrath of U.S.
Good point.
Worship your buddy Putin all you want but Obama's words of force must have scared the living sh!t out of Assad for him to go to Uncle Putin for advice..
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Sep. 15 2013,12:01 am
(Self-Banished @ Sep. 14 2013,3:01 pm)
QUOTE
^What can I say? You've been away awhile, you're a little rusty
Nice to see you back.
Nice to see you back.
Thank you, thank you SB. I went back to The Motherland for a visit. So beautiful this time of year
al:
QUOTE
Iran's ruling mullahs are Syria's main ally in the region and view the survival of the Assad regime as important to their aims. Mehdi Taeb, confidant of Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, said Syria is Iran's "35th province. … If we lose Syria we won't be able to hold Tehran," writes Karim Sadjapour, an Iran expert at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
Syria provides Iran a port on the Mediterranean Sea and a transit to Iran's terrorist proxy in Lebanon, Hezbollah. Iran is suspected of helping Syria evade U.S. and European sanctions by selling its oil on the international market, according to a report from Reuters.
< http://www.usatoday.com/story...2723629 >
Syria provides Iran a port on the Mediterranean Sea and a transit to Iran's terrorist proxy in Lebanon, Hezbollah. Iran is suspected of helping Syria evade U.S. and European sanctions by selling its oil on the international market, according to a report from Reuters.
< http://www.usatoday.com/story...2723629 >
Here's a link for the full article quoted in your USA Today article:
< http://www.ctc.usma.edu/posts/irans-unwavering-support-to-assads-syria >
The USA Today article makes it sound as if those are the words from Karim Sadjapour himself. Look at the footnotes in the link I gave. According to the footnotes absolutely nothing in his article was his own original information. Think tanks and news organizations is pretty much it. For the first quote in your comment, two think tanks are given credit.
American Enterprise Institute:
Funded in part by the Koch brothers.
Some of the Board of Trustees
Clifford Asness- used to work for Goldman Sachs
Dick Cheney (Remember him?)
I was going to look into more of the people, but after seeing Dick...is it really necessary?
< http://www.aei.org/about/board-of-trustees/ >
Koch Brothers and Dick Cheney. You can trust those people if you want. I sure don't.
----
Institute for the Study of War
Isn't that the think tank that Elizabeth O'Bagy worked for and just got fired from? Big supporter of the Syrian rebels, McCain and Kerry quoted one of her articles in reasoning for attacking Syria?
So that's where that quote came from.
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Another "think tank" quoted from in that USA Today article you linked to.- The Heritage Foundation- One of the nastiest contemptible groups we have that helps shape policies and legislation. - One of the Koch brothers favorites.
The other one in the article The Brookings Institution-one of the other nastiest contemptible groups we have that helps shape policies and legislation.
So if people don't automatically trust the president and the push for war, we are somehow Putin worshipers?
Goodgod get a grip and pull your head out of your butt.
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 15 2013,12:39 am
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Sep. 15 2013,12:01 am)
QUOTE
So if people don't automatically trust the president and the push for war, we are somehow Putin worshipers?
Goodgod get a grip and pull your head out of your butt.
Goodgod get a grip and pull your head out of your butt.
We didn't strike Syria..
Maddog still worships Putin..
Have you always had a problem with being confused..
News Flash from FOX NEWS: Why have we not invaded Libya for attack on Benghazi.
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 15 2013,3:47 am
(alcitizens @ Sep. 15 2013,12:39 am)
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(Rosalind_Swenson @ Sep. 15 2013,12:01 am)
QUOTE
So if people don't automatically trust the president and the push for war, we are somehow Putin worshipers?
Goodgod get a grip and pull your head out of your butt.
Goodgod get a grip and pull your head out of your butt.
We didn't strike Syria..
Maddog still worships Putin..
Have you always had a problem with being confused..
News Flash from FOX NEWS: Why have we not invaded Libya for attack on Benghazi.
Nor did Syria strike the US
I don't think Maddog worships Putin, probably like me, a little envious that Russia actually has a real leader.
And attacking Lybia for Bengazi? Well, when you've f#¥ked up like our administration has,it's kind of better to just cover it up.
Posted by Botto 82 on Sep. 15 2013,6:26 am
(alcitizens @ Sep. 14 2013,7:57 pm)
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Iran is suspected of helping Syria evade U.S. and European sanctions by selling its oil on the international market, according to a report from Reuters.
And this is what the U.S. is really afraid of - Iran selling its oil outside of our stipulations. It's total B.S.
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 15 2013,7:03 am
What the hell is this image supposed to be??
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 15 2013,7:30 am
(Self-Banished @ Sep. 15 2013,7:03 am)
QUOTE
What the hell is this image supposed to be??
He was the leader of a country that Obama bombed without boots on the ground..
He was a brutal dictator on his way to Benghazi to slaughter everyone..
He was Gaddafi, the leader of Libya..
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 15 2013,8:44 am
Wow, so should we be threatened with force by sat Russia or China for this crime?
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Sep. 15 2013,3:14 pm
(alcitizens @ Sep. 15 2013,12:39 am)
QUOTE
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Sep. 15 2013,12:01 am)
QUOTE
So if people don't automatically trust the president and the push for war, we are somehow Putin worshipers?
Goodgod get a grip and pull your head out of your butt.
Goodgod get a grip and pull your head out of your butt.
We didn't strike Syria..
Maddog still worships Putin..
Have you always had a problem with being confused..
News Flash from FOX NEWS: Why have we not invaded Libya for attack on Benghazi.
You honestly don't even make sense sometimes.
al:
QUOTE
He was the leader of a country that Obama bombed without boots on the ground..
He was a brutal dictator on his way to Benghazi to slaughter everyone..
He was Gaddafi, the leader of Libya..
He was a brutal dictator on his way to Benghazi to slaughter everyone..
He was Gaddafi, the leader of Libya..
So you are opposed to oppressive regimes who slaughter people? Unless it's the American government or their allies, then it's ok right?
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 15 2013,8:03 pm
(alcitizens @ Sep. 14 2013,9:52 pm)
QUOTE
Worship your buddy Putin all you want but Obama's words of force must have scared the living sh!t out of Assad for him to go to Uncle Putin for advice..
There's no worship of Putin. He is a force to be dealt with. Unfortunately, no one is home in the White House.
QUOTE
I don't think Maddog worships Putin, probably like me, a little envious that Russia actually has a real leader.
That's about the size of it.
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 15 2013,9:18 pm
Seems to me you have a man crush on Putin. A lot of people that chose to party instead of serving their country feel the same way. Maybe if they'd have served they would be a little more patriotic.
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 16 2013,12:17 am
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Sep. 15 2013,3:14 pm)
QUOTE
al:
So you are opposed to oppressive regimes who slaughter people? Unless it's the American government or their allies, then it's ok right?
QUOTE
He was the leader of a country that Obama bombed without boots on the ground..
He was a brutal dictator on his way to Benghazi to slaughter everyone..
He was Gaddafi, the leader of Libya..
He was a brutal dictator on his way to Benghazi to slaughter everyone..
He was Gaddafi, the leader of Libya..
So you are opposed to oppressive regimes who slaughter people? Unless it's the American government or their allies, then it's ok right?
And you and your buddies would be the first ones to say "Why the hell didn't Obama do something to prevent the genocide of a million people"..
Good God get a grip and pull your head out of your a$$.
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 16 2013,4:41 am
(Liberal @ Sep. 15 2013,9:18 pm)
QUOTE
Seems to me you have a man crush on Putin. A lot of people that chose to party instead of serving their country feel the same way. Maybe if they'd have served they would be a little more patriotic.
Here's to you Rambo
Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious.
Oscar Wilde
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 16 2013,6:37 am
(Liberal @ Sep. 15 2013,9:18 pm)
QUOTE
Seems to me you have a man crush on Putin. A lot of people that chose to party instead of serving their country feel the same way. Maybe if they'd have served they would be a little more patriotic.
If it makes you feel
alki
QUOTE
And you and your buddies would be the first ones to say "Why the hell didn't Obama do something to prevent the genocide of a million people"..
O.K., why all of a sudden is 1400 people gassed worse than his regime killing over 100,000 people?
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 16 2013,7:34 am
Funny how you neocon kooks thought Sadam had weapons of mass destruction and it was reason enough to go to war. Syria actually acknowledges they have them and they use see them and all of the sudden WMDs are no different than conventional arms.
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 16 2013,8:18 am
You said dead people don't know they're dead, so they obviously don't remember how they died either. Right?
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 16 2013,8:32 am
And you believe that dead people know how they died, yet you have no problem with WMDs now that a dark skinned democrat is in the White house. Right?How racist/unpatriotic/stupid does a person have to be to cheer for the Russians over their own country based on who the President is? Even worse is being so delusional as to believe the Russians have the upper hand even though Assad is unilaterally disarming.
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 16 2013,8:43 am
Just like a burnt liberal to use this.
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 16 2013,8:48 am
Smokey called me a burnt liberal.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Sep. 16 2013,9:50 am
(alcitizens @ Sep. 16 2013,12:17 am)
QUOTE
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Sep. 15 2013,3:14 pm)
QUOTE
al:
So you are opposed to oppressive regimes who slaughter people? Unless it's the American government or their allies, then it's ok right?
QUOTE
He was the leader of a country that Obama bombed without boots on the ground..
He was a brutal dictator on his way to Benghazi to slaughter everyone..
He was Gaddafi, the leader of Libya..
He was a brutal dictator on his way to Benghazi to slaughter everyone..
He was Gaddafi, the leader of Libya..
So you are opposed to oppressive regimes who slaughter people? Unless it's the American government or their allies, then it's ok right?
And you and your buddies would be the first ones to say "Why the hell didn't Obama do something to prevent the genocide of a million people"..
Good God get a grip and pull your head out of your a$$.
QUOTE
"Why the hell didn't Obama do something to prevent the genocide of a million people"..
Seriously? The United States is the biggest murderer on the planet. "Genocide of a million people" - remember Iraq? Remember the declassified documents that showed we knew how bad it would be BEFORE we did it?
And liberal, how does serving in the military make a person "more patriotic"? Patriotic to who? To what?
QUOTE
patriotism [ˈpætrɪəˌtɪzəm]
n
devotion to one's own country and concern for its defence
n
devotion to one's own country and concern for its defence
QUOTE
lib·er·ty (lbr-t)
n. pl. lib·er·ties
1.
a. The condition of being free from restriction or control.
b. The right and power to act, believe, or express oneself in a manner of one's own choosing.
c. The condition of being physically and legally free from confinement, servitude, or forced labor. See Synonyms at freedom.
2. Freedom from unjust or undue governmental control.
3. A right or immunity to engage in certain actions without control or interference: the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights.
n. pl. lib·er·ties
1.
a. The condition of being free from restriction or control.
b. The right and power to act, believe, or express oneself in a manner of one's own choosing.
c. The condition of being physically and legally free from confinement, servitude, or forced labor. See Synonyms at freedom.
2. Freedom from unjust or undue governmental control.
3. A right or immunity to engage in certain actions without control or interference: the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights.
I think you are confusing patriotism with:
QUOTE
nationalism [ˈnæʃənəˌlɪzəm ˈnæʃnə-]
n
1.(Government, Politics & Diplomacy) a sentiment based on common cultural characteristics that binds a population and often produces a policy of national independence or separatism
2.exaggerated, passionate, or fanatical devotion to a national community. Example: A bunch of drooling NFL-tards, chanting "USA! USA!"
See also chauvinism
n
1.(Government, Politics & Diplomacy) a sentiment based on common cultural characteristics that binds a population and often produces a policy of national independence or separatism
2.exaggerated, passionate, or fanatical devotion to a national community. Example: A bunch of drooling NFL-tards, chanting "USA! USA!"
See also chauvinism
Patriotism has nothing to do with following orders from a bunch of lying, demented, greedy bastards who don't give a rats' butt about the people of this country or any other country unless it suits THEIR interests. Patriotic to kill for a bunch of liars? You're so condescending to people who don't serve "for their country" and to people who criticize our lying leaders (unless the leader is an R).
And do you honestly think those leaders care one bit about the military people they send to fight in their BS wars or "interventions" they start in the first place?
How long did they lie to veterans about cancer and birth defects and Agent Orange?
How long are they going to keep telling veterans that Gulf War Syndrome is "just in their heads" they're "faking it" or they just really don't know what is causing it?
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Sep. 16 2013,9:50 am
(alcitizens @ Sep. 16 2013,12:17 am)
QUOTE
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Sep. 15 2013,3:14 pm)
QUOTE
al:
So you are opposed to oppressive regimes who slaughter people? Unless it's the American government or their allies, then it's ok right?
QUOTE
He was the leader of a country that Obama bombed without boots on the ground..
He was a brutal dictator on his way to Benghazi to slaughter everyone..
He was Gaddafi, the leader of Libya..
He was a brutal dictator on his way to Benghazi to slaughter everyone..
He was Gaddafi, the leader of Libya..
So you are opposed to oppressive regimes who slaughter people? Unless it's the American government or their allies, then it's ok right?
And you and your buddies would be the first ones to say "Why the hell didn't Obama do something to prevent the genocide of a million people"..
Good God get a grip and pull your head out of your a$$.
QUOTE
"Why the hell didn't Obama do something to prevent the genocide of a million people"..
Seriously? The United States is the biggest murderer on the planet. "Genocide of a million people" - remember Iraq? Remember the declassified documents that showed we knew how bad it would be BEFORE we did it?
And liberal, how does serving in the military make a person "more patriotic"? Patriotic to who? To what?
QUOTE
patriotism [ˈpætrɪəˌtɪzəm]
n
devotion to one's own country and concern for its defence
n
devotion to one's own country and concern for its defence
QUOTE
lib·er·ty (lbr-t)
n. pl. lib·er·ties
1.
a. The condition of being free from restriction or control.
b. The right and power to act, believe, or express oneself in a manner of one's own choosing.
c. The condition of being physically and legally free from confinement, servitude, or forced labor. See Synonyms at freedom.
2. Freedom from unjust or undue governmental control.
3. A right or immunity to engage in certain actions without control or interference: the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights.
n. pl. lib·er·ties
1.
a. The condition of being free from restriction or control.
b. The right and power to act, believe, or express oneself in a manner of one's own choosing.
c. The condition of being physically and legally free from confinement, servitude, or forced labor. See Synonyms at freedom.
2. Freedom from unjust or undue governmental control.
3. A right or immunity to engage in certain actions without control or interference: the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights.
I think you are confusing patriotism with:
QUOTE
nationalism [ˈnæʃənəˌlɪzəm ˈnæʃnə-]
n
1.(Government, Politics & Diplomacy) a sentiment based on common cultural characteristics that binds a population and often produces a policy of national independence or separatism
2.exaggerated, passionate, or fanatical devotion to a national community. Example: A bunch of drooling NFL-tards, chanting "USA! USA!"
See also chauvinism
n
1.(Government, Politics & Diplomacy) a sentiment based on common cultural characteristics that binds a population and often produces a policy of national independence or separatism
2.exaggerated, passionate, or fanatical devotion to a national community. Example: A bunch of drooling NFL-tards, chanting "USA! USA!"
See also chauvinism
Patriotism has nothing to do with following orders from a bunch of lying, demented, greedy bastards who don't give a rats' butt about the people of this country or any other country unless it suits THEIR interests. Patriotic to kill for a bunch of liars? You're so condescending to people who don't serve "for their country" and to people who criticize our lying leaders (unless the leader is an R).
And do you honestly think those leaders care one bit about the military people they send to fight in their BS wars or "interventions" they start in the first place?
How long did they lie to veterans about cancer and birth defects and Agent Orange?
How long are they going to keep telling veterans that Gulf War Syndrome is "just in their heads" they're "faking it" or they just really don't know what is causing it?
***Sorry for the double post, wasn't my fault.
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 16 2013,9:57 am
Blah, blah, blah. The weekends over shouldn't you be headed back to the hospital?
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Sep. 16 2013,10:20 am
(Liberal @ Sep. 16 2013,9:57 am)
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Blah, blah, blah. The weekends over shouldn't you be headed back to the hospital?
USA USA And they're still trying to cover-up some of the issues with the toxic water at Camp Lejeune.
< http://www.judiciary.senate.gov/pdf/12-3-13EnsmingerTestimony.pdf >
< http://www.tftptf.com/ >
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 16 2013,10:36 am
I spent 4 months at the military police school at Ft McClellan and they say the same crap about McClellan, what's your point?I've read enough about the McClellan toxins to know that most of these people are just looking for a handout for normal health problems. These clowns blame everything on these toxins, like the kooks that claim that being in the vicinity of the Persian gulf gave them diabetes, or a chronic hang nail, so they think they deserve a lifetime pension because of some imaginary "syndrome".
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 16 2013,11:24 am
(MADDOG @ Sep. 16 2013,6:37 am)
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alki
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And you and your buddies would be the first ones to say "Why the hell didn't Obama do something to prevent the genocide of a million people"..
O.K., why all of a sudden is 1400 people gassed worse than his regime killing over 100,000 people?Because with 1000 tons of chemical weapons, Assad could gas millions of people, a death toll not seen since Hitler..
Bush: 200,000+ people Killed in Iraq and Afghanistan
Obama: Millions of people Saved in Libya and Syria
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 16 2013,11:30 am
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These clowns blame everything on these toxins, like the kooks that claim that being in the vicinity of the Persian gulf gave them diabetes, or a chronic hang nail, so they think they deserve a lifetime pension because of some imaginary "syndrome".
So you have a problem with those servicemen and women who served our country during one of the Persian Gulf conflicts too?
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Sep. 16 2013,11:37 am
(Liberal @ Sep. 16 2013,10:36 am)
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I spent 4 months at the military police school at Ft McClellan and they say the same crap about McClellan, what's your point?
I've read enough about the McClellan toxins to know that most of these people are just looking for a handout for normal health problems. These clowns blame everything on these toxins, like the kooks that claim that being in the vicinity of the Persian gulf gave them diabetes, or a chronic hang nail, so they think they deserve a lifetime pension because of some imaginary "syndrome".
I've read enough about the McClellan toxins to know that most of these people are just looking for a handout for normal health problems. These clowns blame everything on these toxins, like the kooks that claim that being in the vicinity of the Persian gulf gave them diabetes, or a chronic hang nail, so they think they deserve a lifetime pension because of some imaginary "syndrome".
So are you saying that the toxins are not bad? Or are you saying that you just don't care that some veterans have been poisoned? Or are you saying that because "most" of the veterans claiming they and their children are sick are "just looking for a hand out" so even if some have become ill it doesn't matter?
I don't know enough about Fort McClellan yet, but in the case of Camp Lejeune, are you saying it is ok for the government to not inform military personal of the risks and it's ok stall investigations and hide information? ...Oh yeah, I almost forgot who I was talking to. Of course YOU think it's all right.
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 16 2013,11:55 am
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So you have a problem with those servicemen and women who served our country during one of the Persian Gulf conflicts too?
Put the bong down, and read it again. I have no problem with anyone that chose to serve, I do have a problem with people getting pensions for health problems unrelated to their service.
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 16 2013,12:06 pm
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So are you saying that the toxins are not bad? Or are you saying that you just don't care that some veterans have been poisoned? Or are you saying that because "most" of the veterans claiming they and their children are sick are "just looking for a hand out"
Maybe you should have someone read my post to you, or read it again, you know, top to bottom, left to right. A group of words together is called a sentence. Take Tylenol for any headaches, Midol for any cramps.
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 16 2013,12:20 pm
(Liberal @ Sep. 16 2013,10:36 am)
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I spent 4 months at the military police school at Ft McClellan and they say the same crap about McClellan, what's your point?
I've read enough about the McClellan toxins to know that most of these people are just looking for a handout for normal health problems. These clowns blame everything on these toxins, like the kooks that claim that being in the vicinity of the Persian gulf gave them diabetes, or a chronic hang nail, so they think they deserve a lifetime pension because of some imaginary "syndrome".
I've read enough about the McClellan toxins to know that most of these people are just looking for a handout for normal health problems. These clowns blame everything on these toxins, like the kooks that claim that being in the vicinity of the Persian gulf gave them diabetes, or a chronic hang nail, so they think they deserve a lifetime pension because of some imaginary "syndrome".
I'm sorry, Liberal. When you referred to
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kooks that claim that being in the vicinity of the Persian gulf
I just assumed you were referring to service personel. Maybe it's just me, but the only people I know who were in the Persian Gulf and who now have health issues are VETERANS. QUOTE
Take Tylenol for any headaches, Midol for any cramps.
I'm just guessing, but isn't that just a little sexist? Don't forget, QUOTE
Lord loves a workin' man; don't trust whitey; see a doctor and get rid of it.
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 16 2013,12:24 pm
Are you really that stupid? If I said all car dealers from Iowa are stupid, would I be insulting Iowans or just car dealers from Iowa?
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Sep. 16 2013,12:38 pm
(Liberal @ Sep. 16 2013,12:06 pm)
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So are you saying that the toxins are not bad? Or are you saying that you just don't care that some veterans have been poisoned? Or are you saying that because "most" of the veterans claiming they and their children are sick are "just looking for a hand out"
Maybe you should have someone read my post to you, or read it again, you know, top to bottom, left to right. A group of words together is called a sentence. Take Tylenol for any headaches, Midol for any cramps.
I did read it.
liberal:
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I've read enough about the McClellan toxins
So are these toxins you read about harmful or not?
Me:
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So are you saying that the toxins are not bad?
liberal:
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to know that most of these people are just looking for a handout for normal health problems.
Me:
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Or are you saying that you just don't care that some veterans have been poisoned? Or are you saying that because "most" of the veterans claiming they and their children are sick are "just looking for a hand out" so even if some have become ill it doesn't matter?
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 16 2013,12:43 pm
Since the concept of a sentence seems to escape you here's exactly what I said QUOTE
I've read enough about the McClellan toxins to know that most of these people are just looking for a handout for normal health problems.
If you're still confused feel free to ask somene to read it and explain it to you.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Sep. 16 2013,12:45 pm
(MADDOG @ Sep. 16 2013,12:20 pm)
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QUOTE
Take Tylenol for any headaches, Midol for any cramps.
I'm just guessing, but isn't that just a little sexist? Don't forget, QUOTE
Lord loves a workin' man; don't trust whitey; see a doctor and get rid of it.
He's using #8 and #38. Those are the only two that work for him anymore.
< http://www.mnei.nl/schopenhauer/38-stratagems.htm >
liberal:
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If you're still confused feel free to ask somene to read it and explain it to you.
Ok, will someone else please read that sentence to me? Apparently I'm too stupid to figure out what it really means. Doesn't matter how many times I read it apparently I'm still not getting the gist of it.
Or at least point out to me how my questions don't relate to that sentence. Please.
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 16 2013,1:01 pm
Well if you read it then why quote only half a sentence? Have you considered a remedial English course?
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 16 2013,2:50 pm
(Liberal @ Sep. 16 2013,12:24 pm)
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Are you really that stupid? If I said all car dealers from Iowa are stupid, would I be insulting Iowans or just car dealers from Iowa?
Gee, Liberal. I think you were quite specific. You said "These clowns blame everything on these toxins, like the kooks that claim that being in the vicinity of the Persian gulf gave them diabetes, or a chronic hang nail, so they think they deserve a lifetime pension because of some imaginary "syndrome".
I just tried to clarify for you when I said, "I just assumed you were referring to service personel. Maybe it's just me, but the only people I know who were in the Persian Gulf and who now have health issues are VETERANS."
Now are you saying these people are all kooks or clowns or just the ones who think they deserve a pension?
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 16 2013,3:00 pm
Apparently you really are that stupid if you believe I was insulting all vets. Do you think you were born that way, or did something happen to you?
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 16 2013,4:10 pm
Nope. I think you were specific. QUOTE
like the kooks that claim that being in the vicinity of the Persian gulf gave them diabetes, or a chronic hang nail, so they think they deserve a lifetime pension because of some imaginary "syndrome".
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 16 2013,4:20 pm
So were you born stupid or did you do something to your head? I mean do you ever remember a time when you weren't dumber than a bag of hammers?
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 16 2013,5:15 pm
(Liberal @ Sep. 16 2013,4:20 pm)
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So were you born stupid or did you do something to your head? I mean do you ever remember a time when you weren't dumber than a bag of hammers?
That's number 38, right?
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 16 2013,5:38 pm
Rockets used in the Syrian chemical weapons attack bore Russian writing, United Nations inspectors have revealed.The discovery of Cyrillic characters was disclosed in a long-awaited report today that also said there was “clear and compelling evidence” that they carried the nerve agent Sarin.Russia is a strong ally of Bashar al-Assad and the disclosure came as Moscow was at loggerheads with the West over how to ensure the brutal dictator gives up his chemical arsenal.Unveiling the report, UN chief Ban Ki-moon said that the attack in the capital Damascus was a war crime and the worst chemical weapons strike for 25 years.< http://www.irishmirror.ie/news...2278436 >
Posted by Common Citizen on Sep. 16 2013,7:29 pm
(alcitizens @ Sep. 16 2013,11:24 am)
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(MADDOG @ Sep. 16 2013,6:37 am)
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alki
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And you and your buddies would be the first ones to say "Why the hell didn't Obama do something to prevent the genocide of a million people"..
O.K., why all of a sudden is 1400 people gassed worse than his regime killing over 100,000 people?Because with 1000 tons of chemical weapons, Assad could gas millions of people, a death toll not seen since Hitler..
Bush: 200,000+ people Killed in Iraq and Afghanistan
Obama: Millions of people Saved in Libya and Syria
You're too much. Do you buy your knee pads in bulk?
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 16 2013,11:18 pm
Oh I forgot to mention the financial costs:Long term costs of Bush's Iraq and Afghanistan Wars: 4000 Billion Dollars
Obama's Libya War without American boots on the ground: 1 Billion Dollars
Think Smarter, Not Harder..
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 17 2013,4:54 am
4000 billion?
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 17 2013,11:02 am
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UNITED NATIONS (AP) — Careful not to blame either side for a deadly chemical weapon attack, U.N. inspectors reported Monday that rockets(M14 artillery rocket with either an original or an improvised warhead)loaded with the nerve agent sarin had been fired from an area where Syria's military has bases, but said the evidence could have been manipulated in the rebel-controlled stricken neighborhoods.
The U.S., Britain and France jumped on evidence in the report — especially the type of rockets, the composition of the sarin agent, and trajectory of the missiles — to declare that President Bashar Assad's government was responsible.
Russia, Syria's closest ally, called the investigators' findings "deeply disturbing," but said it was too early to draw conclusions. The Syrian government's claims that opposition forces were responsible for the attack "cannot be simply shrugged off," Russian Ambassador Vitaly Churkin insisted.
The report said the rockets that hit two of the suburbs — Zamalka and Ein Tarma — were fired from the northwest, but it didn't say who launched them. The inspectors did not provide a location for the rockets' launch site, but Qassioun Mountain, where the Syrian military is known to have bases, is roughly northwest of both suburbs.
< NPR >
The U.S., Britain and France jumped on evidence in the report — especially the type of rockets, the composition of the sarin agent, and trajectory of the missiles — to declare that President Bashar Assad's government was responsible.
Russia, Syria's closest ally, called the investigators' findings "deeply disturbing," but said it was too early to draw conclusions. The Syrian government's claims that opposition forces were responsible for the attack "cannot be simply shrugged off," Russian Ambassador Vitaly Churkin insisted.
The report said the rockets that hit two of the suburbs — Zamalka and Ein Tarma — were fired from the northwest, but it didn't say who launched them. The inspectors did not provide a location for the rockets' launch site, but Qassioun Mountain, where the Syrian military is known to have bases, is roughly northwest of both suburbs.
< NPR >
Seems the U.N. as feeble-minded as they are, don't want to jump to early conclusions. It is highly unlikely rebels could have been involved. War crimes have been committed. Do you attack a nation for the crimes of a few when the ramifications may be great?
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 17 2013,12:25 pm
(Self-Banished @ Sep. 17 2013,4:54 am)
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4000 billion?
What is 4000 Billion Dollars?
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 17 2013,12:47 pm
(MADDOG @ Sep. 17 2013,11:02 am)
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Do you attack a nation for the crimes of a few when the ramifications may be great?
Are you trying to stir up Botto and Ros?
Look quick, its a conspiracy..
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Sep. 17 2013,1:09 pm
Hypocrisy. US and allies looked the other way when Hussein used chemical weapons (which US and allies helped him get) killing more people than the tragedy in Syria. And ever stop to think that maybe if the US and allies wouldn't have been arming and training "rebels" to send into Syria things wouldn't be such a nightmare there now?
Here's the most boggling thing about what happened last month. Starting in March or so, the Syrian government is asking the UN to come in and inspect chemical weapon attacks. They finally accept his invitation in July. As soon as they get there, there's a chemical weapon attack just a few miles from where the UN team is. Not only was Assad crazy enough to order such a thing (even though according to most mainstream news, Assad forces have been winning the battle) he was also stupid enough not to use materials they have seized from rebels? They use clearly marked Russian missiles?
And of course it's not possible that rebels could have used Russian missiles, even though they have (according to past mainstream news) taken control and seized some Syrian military bases/weapon depots.
Nope, without a doubt, the Syrian government is not just crazy and tyrannical, but they are also stupid as hell. And without a doubt, the US and it's allies should bomb the bejeezus out of Syria and install a puppet leader.
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 17 2013,1:13 pm
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On Tuesday, Fabius strongly disagreed with Lavrov’s contention. The work carried out by U.N. inspectors proves that the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad is responsible for the attack, he said.Lavrov said the discovery of Cyrillic lettering on one of the rockets that delivered the gas was not significant. He suggested that other nations, including some in the West, have been counterfeiting old Soviet weaponry, and he called on them to stop doing so.
< http://m.washingtonpost.com/world...ry.html >
< http://m.washingtonpost.com/world...ry.html >
I wonder if the Russian public believes that story. It sounds like the crazy stuff they'd say during the cold war.
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 17 2013,1:18 pm
Another crazy ass conspiracy theory. No sane person believes the rebels stole these chemical rockets then moved into Syrian government controlled areas and fired them back into rebel controlled areas.
< http://brown-moses.blogspot.co.uk/2013...tml?m=1 >
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 17 2013,1:49 pm
(alcitizens @ Sep. 16 2013,11:18 pm)
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Oh I forgot to mention the financial costs:
Long term costs of Bush's Iraq and Afghanistan Wars: 4000 Billion Dollars
Obama's Libya War without American boots on the ground: 1 Billion Dollars
Think Smarter, Not Harder..
Long term costs of Bush's Iraq and Afghanistan Wars: 4000 Billion Dollars
Obama's Libya War without American boots on the ground: 1 Billion Dollars
Think Smarter, Not Harder..
You wrote it, I didn't
4000 billion
Try just thinking, not harder, not smarter, just think.
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 17 2013,2:22 pm
(Self-Banished @ Sep. 17 2013,1:49 pm)
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(alcitizens @ Sep. 16 2013,11:18 pm)
QUOTE
Oh I forgot to mention the financial costs:
Long term costs of Bush's Iraq and Afghanistan Wars: 4000 Billion Dollars
Obama's Libya War without American boots on the ground: 1 Billion Dollars
Think Smarter, Not Harder..
Long term costs of Bush's Iraq and Afghanistan Wars: 4000 Billion Dollars
Obama's Libya War without American boots on the ground: 1 Billion Dollars
Think Smarter, Not Harder..
You wrote it, I didn't
4000 billion
Try just thinking, not harder, not smarter, just think.
I asked you what is 4000 Billion Dollars, and like a chimpanzee you pick your nose and eat the booger..
So here we go again little man, sit up straight and without using your fingers..
What is 4000 X 1 Billion = ?
I'll give you my banana if you can answer correctly..
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 17 2013,2:35 pm
I don't want to share my banana with a Chimp.. It's 4 Trillion Dollars..
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 17 2013,3:18 pm
Then write it right the first time dumbass
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 17 2013,3:30 pm
(alcitizens @ Sep. 16 2013,11:18 pm)
QUOTE
Oh I forgot to mention the financial costs:
Long term costs of Bush's Iraq and Afghanistan Wars: 4000 Billion Dollars
Obama's Libya War without American boots on the ground: 1 Billion Dollars
Think Smarter, Not Harder..
Long term costs of Bush's Iraq and Afghanistan Wars: 4000 Billion Dollars
Obama's Libya War without American boots on the ground: 1 Billion Dollars
Think Smarter, Not Harder..
So now that it is established that you are a dumbass let me say this,
It's far from over in Egypt,
It's even father from over in Libya.
And as far as your boy thinks and much to our nation consequences, it's far from over in Syria.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Sep. 17 2013,4:15 pm
(Liberal @ Sep. 17 2013,1:18 pm)
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Another crazy ass conspiracy theory.
No sane person believes the rebels stole these chemical rockets then moved into Syrian government controlled areas and fired them back into rebel controlled areas.
< http://brown-moses.blogspot.co.uk/2013...tml?m=1 >
No sane person believes the rebels stole these chemical rockets then moved into Syrian government controlled areas and fired them back into rebel controlled areas.
< http://brown-moses.blogspot.co.uk/2013...tml?m=1 >
Syrian government controlled areas?? There's constant fighting all around Damascus and control switching back and forth all the time. Rebels just took control of a village in the mountains NW of Damascus. Did they just transport there magically? Rebels are everywhere around Damascus and in Damascus.
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"rockets are believed to have arrived from the northwest (page 19. Page 22 of viewer
Page 18 of the report.- Page 21 of the pdf viewer.
Limitations:
The time necessary to conduct a detailed survey of both locations as well as take samples was very limited. The sites have been well travelled by other individuals both before and during the investigation. Fragments and other possible evidence have clearly been handled/moved prior to the arrival of the investigation team.
Page 22 of the report.-Page 25 of the PDF viewer.
Limitations:
As with other sites, the locations have been well traveled by other individuals prior to the arrival of the Mission. Time spent on the sites was well used but limited.
During the time spent at these locactions, individuals arrived carrying other suspected munitions indicating that such potential evidence is being moved and possible manipulated.
Considerations on the likely trajectory of the rockets
Of the five impact sites investigated by the mission, three do not present physical characteristics allowing a successful study of the trajectories follwed by the rockets involved, due to the configuration of the impact places. However, Impact site number 1 (Moadamiyah) and Impact site number 4 (Ein Tarma) provide sufficient evidence to determine, with a sufficient degree of accuracy, the likely trajectory of the projectiles.
Page 23 of the report. Page 26 of PDF viewer.
Impact Site number 1.
The munition linked to this impact site, by observed and measured characteristics, indicatively matches one of the variants of the M14 artillery rocket, with either an original or an improvised warhead (NOT OBSERVED AT THE IMPACT SITE). So someone removed the missile.
Lab results start on Page 27 of report. Page 30 of PDF viewer.
Mostly the detected sarin that both labs detected was from the projectiles and fragments themselves.
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< http://www.un.org/disarma...ion.pdf >
No, clearly the evidence shows without a doubt that the Syrian government is behind the attacks, and like I said, he's not only a crazy tyrant he's also very very stupid.
He asks the UN team to come investigate, and when they finally show up, BAM, he fires chemical weapons just a few miles away from the UN team. UN team only has time to investigate the new chemical attack because the US is constantly threatening to hit Damascus with missiles.
If Assad wasn't so stupid he would've at least waited until the inspectors had investigated what he asked them there for in the first place.
The evidence is as clear in Syria as it was in Iraq, and it's obvious that Syria should get the same treatment as Iraq did.
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 17 2013,4:25 pm
So you couldn't find a single sane person that agrees with you?Is everything a government conspiracy to you?
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Sep. 17 2013,5:05 pm
(Liberal @ Sep. 17 2013,4:25 pm)
QUOTE
So you couldn't find a single sane person that agrees with you?
Is everything a government conspiracy to you?
Is everything a government conspiracy to you?
Oh, I didn't realize I was supposed to find a sane person who agrees with me. Why would I waste my time with that anyway? No matter what, according to YOU, anyone who agrees with me is a kook.
I was simply putting the real UN investigation report information out there instead of just listening to others tell me about all the "damning evidence" against the Syrian government.
Are rebels located NW of Damascus? Yes.
Have rebels gotten their hands on the same equipment/materials the Syrian military has? Yes.
^Unless mainstream news has been lying for the last two years. Or are we just supposed to not think about those news stories since those don't fit in well enough with the new stories?
Heaven forbid any of us try thinking for ourselves. And who the heck is Moses Brown? I bet if I looked hard enough I could find a blog by someone named White Jesus that debunks his information. - But I won't waste my time looking, because I prefer to think for myself.
You should try it some time. - But no, apparently you'd rather spend your time making yourself look like a delusion, lying crazy person whose main goal in the forum seems to be trying to make me look stupid, but who only succeeds in making himself look stupid.
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 17 2013,5:34 pm
For Alky
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 17 2013,5:41 pm
Could you put a great POY side by side?
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 17 2013,8:26 pm
The reason you can't find a sane person that agrees with you is because you'd have to be crazy to believe your most recent conspiracy theory.
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 17 2013,11:59 pm
(MADDOG @ Sep. 17 2013,5:41 pm)
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Could you put a great POY side by side?
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Sep. 18 2013,12:25 am
(Liberal @ Sep. 17 2013,8:26 pm)
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The reason you can't find a sane person that agrees with you is because you'd have to be crazy to believe your most recent conspiracy theory.
Wow, you still on that?? Um, no, the reason I "can't find a sane person that agrees with" me, is because I'm not looking.
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Why would I waste my time with that anyway? No matter what, according to YOU, anyone who agrees with me is a kook.
How was the Bush administration able to invade Iraq? Lie, lie, lie, and not enough Americans thinking for themselves, or bothering to check into the crap they were spewing all over the place. For some reason you've done a complete 180 on Iraq. Now you're one of the few people on the entire planet that thinks Bush was right in invading because of chemical weapons...I mean nuclear weapons...I mean aiding al qaeda. What was the final reason anyway?
Sooo, the UN report says it can only give trajectories for two of the missiles with a sufficient degree of accuracy. The report also says evidence was missing, moved and possibly manipulated. Can you find a map anywhere with the possible launch area based on the UN trajectories? I haven't been able to find one. While searching for one I've seen countless national news headlines that make it sound like the UN team is saying that Assad unleashed a chemical armageddon, pretty much carpet bombing those areas missiles filed with sarin gas. I've only read a few articles that sounded like they had done an analyses of the UN trajectories for a verifiable location area, but those articles don't sound anything like what is actually in the UN report, and I wasn't able to find a location either.
And again:
Were and are rebels NW of Damascus? Yes.
Did they have access to the same equipment/materials as the Syrian military? Yes.
Why were you so skeptical about the Iraq invasion, but so trusting now?
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Sep. 18 2013,1:31 am
So I read alot more articles about the UN report, and it seems the other biggest excuse as to how it can't possibly be rebels that used it is1) They don't have high grade chemical weapons
2) They don't know how to handle chemical weapons
But since it's been reported for the last two years that they have seized some military bases/weapons depot then #1 is questionable, and with what Panetta said last September:
Panetta September 2012:
They know the main sites are still secured by Syrian military, they don't know if any chemical weapons have gotten into rebel hands from other sites.
And for #2:
December 2012
QUOTE
The United States and some European allies are using defense contractors to train Syrian rebels on how to secure chemical weapons stockpiles in Syria, a senior U.S. official and several senior diplomats told CNN Sunday.
The training, which is taking place in Jordan and Turkey, involves how to monitor and secure stockpiles and handle weapons sites and materials, according to the sources. Some of the contractors are on the ground in Syria working with the rebels to monitor some of the sites, according to one of the officials.
The training, which is taking place in Jordan and Turkey, involves how to monitor and secure stockpiles and handle weapons sites and materials, according to the sources. Some of the contractors are on the ground in Syria working with the rebels to monitor some of the sites, according to one of the officials.
< http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012...weapons >
According to that article, they've been not only training them on handling chemical weapons, but they've shown them where they are located.
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 18 2013,1:37 am
(Self-Banished @ Sep. 17 2013,3:30 pm)
QUOTE
(alcitizens @ Sep. 16 2013,11:18 pm)
QUOTE
Oh I forgot to mention the financial costs:
Long term costs of Bush's Iraq and Afghanistan Wars: 4000 Billion Dollars
Obama's Libya War without American boots on the ground: 1 Billion Dollars
Think Smarter, Not Harder..
Long term costs of Bush's Iraq and Afghanistan Wars: 4000 Billion Dollars
Obama's Libya War without American boots on the ground: 1 Billion Dollars
Think Smarter, Not Harder..
So now that it is established that you are a dumbass let me say this,
It's far from over in Egypt,
It's even father from over in Libya.
And as far as your boy thinks and much to our nation consequences, it's far from over in Syria.
Bush's Iraq and Afghanistan Wars will still cost U.S. Taxpayers at least 4 Trillion Dollars..
Idiots never realize who they are dealing with..
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 18 2013,3:28 am
^no dunbass,, past tense, these wars were Bush's, he hasn't been in office for almost 5 years. These wars belong to your glorious leader now, he hasn't done anything with them and now he wants to expand or just move that war zone.Just keep telling yourself, "it's Bush's fault"
Posted by Botto 82 on Sep. 18 2013,6:58 am
I really couldn't care less for the partisan rhetoric, anymore. Whatever. I do know that the Republican party would rather sacrifice their only shot at winning the White House than they would give up the B.S. interventionist foreign policy. And history has shown that the corporate media will help them in this endeavor.I doubt seriously that your sainted Democrats are any better. Obama has done nothing to alter the course that Bush and his cronies laid out. Nothing.
The American people are largely clueless as to what a precarious situation we are in, foreign policy-wise. This once great country is in serious jeopardy. The bulk of us are clueless. I actually know people right here in southeastern Minnesota who worry about terrorist attacks. They further believe ridiculous propaganda like, "They hate us for our freedoms," and so on.
I don't really care what happens in Syria, at this point, as long as our government's actions demonstrate that Syrian/Afghani/Iraqi people being murdered with guns is okay, but when they're murdered with chemical weapons (WMD's!) then we need to react. What kind of Kool-Aid is that, anyway?
I doubt that our current and future foreign wars are about anyone's safety, here or abroad. And the one Presidential candidate who brought this to light was so ignored by the mainstream national media that Jon Stewart felt it necessary to point that very fact out.
These chickens will come home to roost one day, sadly. Our so-called leaders will begin to realize, if they haven't already, that we cannot afford both a heavy-handed militaristic interventionist foreign policy AND a populace at home that needs expensive infrastructure like schools and jobs and so on. Guess which one gets thrown under the bus? So stop voting for these partisan bastards as though they really do care about your well-being. THAT ship sailed a long time ago.
A lot of you don't realize how bad it's going to get, simply because nothing that bad has happened, yet. That's a fairly common state of mind. European Jews were like that in the late 30's. They couldn't believe, despite mounting evidence to the contrary, that six million of their own would be slaughtered by a monster, simply because that hadn't happened to them yet, and it was too horrible to imagine. That's called Normalcy Bias, and your government is counting on it, right up unto the point where the other shoe drops.
So keep your little ostrich heads in the sand, and keep voting R or D like your guy is going to make it all right, and their guy is the Spawn of Satan. Yeah, keep that kook crap up. It's worked out so well, thus far.
Posted by Botto 82 on Sep. 18 2013,7:14 am
And if that little sunbeam isn't enough to make you think, consider this gem from the Canada Free Press, which isn't afraid to publish in-your-face stuff about America:QUOTE
Some might be surprised to learn that the fate of America’s economy has already been determined, verified and announced by the Obama White House. Yet, it has received scant attention from the corporate media. In 2011, economist Kyle Bass interviewed a senior member of the Obama administration about its planned solutions for fixing the US economy and trade deficit.
Among the questions he asked was about U.S. exports and wages, but the question itself was not nearly as important as the response he received from this senior administration official. In fact, this single, seven word response clarifies everything, explains everything, and leaves little else to discuss: “We’re just going to kill the dollar.”
There it is, the entire agenda in one short sentence. It explains everything we’ve been seeing domestically and globally. That one statement makes every other question irrelevant, or otherwise answers all economic questions and explains everything. Nothing else matters. I urge you to ponder that statement and all that it implies. Doing so will provide you with the clarity to understand not only what is taking place today, but what is yet to come.
It is important to note the specificity of the word “kill.” Stated in the active voice, it means an unambiguously intentional and deliberate act. The murder of our national currency, the United States Dollar (USD), is the ultimate agenda to be implemented under Obama. To “kill” our national currency will subvert the United States and destroy it from within. This begs a number of questions, including what type of Americans would actually have, as their objective, the destruction of our national currency? To whom do they hold their allegiance, if not to the American people whose life’s work as well as the toil of our ancestors is represented in the form of wealth held in U.S. dollars? Does this make any sense to us, as Americans? The answer of course is “no.”
By its very definition, to kill our national currency is an act of high treason by those engaged in this activity. It undermines the very sovereignty and survival of our nation, and will have a life-changing impact on every citizen in the U.S. It will also impact every nation and the people of every nation on the planet, as the USD is presently the world’s reserve currency. It is an act that should result in the filing of criminal charges against the conspirators, a trial of their peers and if convicted, a death sentence. It’s that serious.
According to my source, we are past the point of no return. We will not be able to stop what is coming, but must be wise enough to prepare and “get out of the way.” The murder plot involving the death of the dollar did not begin with Obama, but he and other conspirators have accelerated the plans, plots and schemes for its demise.
The ultimate objective
The ultimate objective is to implement an international currency in tandem with a system of global governance. The problem is that most people are not thinking large enough, nor do they understand the magnitude of the lie. They are not seeing the larger picture as their focus is diverted elsewhere. For example, they focus on various tentacles of the octopus such as the gun confiscation initiative, the DHS armament acquisitions and economic woes as independent and unrelated events. They are not.
Meanwhile, others continue to adhere to, or even perpetuate the dual party meme of governance, holding dearly to the notion that there is a practical difference between the Republican and Democrat parties. Have we not seen sufficient evidence that they are now of one party acting in concert with each other? They cannot see the collusion and backroom deals, and continue to hope that the next election will finally change the unchangeable continuity of agenda.
< Full Article >
Among the questions he asked was about U.S. exports and wages, but the question itself was not nearly as important as the response he received from this senior administration official. In fact, this single, seven word response clarifies everything, explains everything, and leaves little else to discuss: “We’re just going to kill the dollar.”
There it is, the entire agenda in one short sentence. It explains everything we’ve been seeing domestically and globally. That one statement makes every other question irrelevant, or otherwise answers all economic questions and explains everything. Nothing else matters. I urge you to ponder that statement and all that it implies. Doing so will provide you with the clarity to understand not only what is taking place today, but what is yet to come.
It is important to note the specificity of the word “kill.” Stated in the active voice, it means an unambiguously intentional and deliberate act. The murder of our national currency, the United States Dollar (USD), is the ultimate agenda to be implemented under Obama. To “kill” our national currency will subvert the United States and destroy it from within. This begs a number of questions, including what type of Americans would actually have, as their objective, the destruction of our national currency? To whom do they hold their allegiance, if not to the American people whose life’s work as well as the toil of our ancestors is represented in the form of wealth held in U.S. dollars? Does this make any sense to us, as Americans? The answer of course is “no.”
By its very definition, to kill our national currency is an act of high treason by those engaged in this activity. It undermines the very sovereignty and survival of our nation, and will have a life-changing impact on every citizen in the U.S. It will also impact every nation and the people of every nation on the planet, as the USD is presently the world’s reserve currency. It is an act that should result in the filing of criminal charges against the conspirators, a trial of their peers and if convicted, a death sentence. It’s that serious.
According to my source, we are past the point of no return. We will not be able to stop what is coming, but must be wise enough to prepare and “get out of the way.” The murder plot involving the death of the dollar did not begin with Obama, but he and other conspirators have accelerated the plans, plots and schemes for its demise.
The ultimate objective
The ultimate objective is to implement an international currency in tandem with a system of global governance. The problem is that most people are not thinking large enough, nor do they understand the magnitude of the lie. They are not seeing the larger picture as their focus is diverted elsewhere. For example, they focus on various tentacles of the octopus such as the gun confiscation initiative, the DHS armament acquisitions and economic woes as independent and unrelated events. They are not.
Meanwhile, others continue to adhere to, or even perpetuate the dual party meme of governance, holding dearly to the notion that there is a practical difference between the Republican and Democrat parties. Have we not seen sufficient evidence that they are now of one party acting in concert with each other? They cannot see the collusion and backroom deals, and continue to hope that the next election will finally change the unchangeable continuity of agenda.
< Full Article >
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 18 2013,7:42 am
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A lot of you don't realize how bad it's going to get, simply because nothing that bad has happened, yet. That's a fairly common state of mind.
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 18 2013,8:20 am
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So I read alot more articles about the UN report, and it seems the other biggest excuse as to how it can't possibly be rebels that used it is
All that reading and you still can't find a sane person that agrees with your insane conspiracy.
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 18 2013,8:21 am
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So I read alot more articles about the UN report, and it seems the other biggest excuse as to how it can't possibly be rebels that used it is
All that reading and you still can't find a sane person that agrees with your insane conspiracy?
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 18 2013,8:52 am
The trajectory of the missiles show they clearly came from the government controlled area.< http://www.hrw.org/news...ht-path >
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Sep. 18 2013,10:05 am
(Liberal @ Sep. 18 2013,8:52 am)
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The trajectory of the missiles show they clearly came from the government controlled area.
< http://www.hrw.org/news...ht-path >
< http://www.hrw.org/news...ht-path >
The government controlled area...there you go with that nonsense again. There are rebels all around and in Damascus. Yes there is a Syrian military base in the NW as well. But given that there are ALSO rebels in that area, I don't think it's without a doubt that the Syrian military did this or that the Syrian government ordered it. And like I said before, how freakin damn stupid would he have to be to fire chemical weapon missiles just miles away from UN chemical weapon inspectors? - Goodgod.
And like Botto and some others on here have said,
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I don't really care what happens in Syria, at this point, as long as our government's actions demonstrate that Syrian/Afghani/Iraqi people being murdered with guns is okay, but when they're murdered with chemical weapons (WMD's!) then we need to react. What kind of Kool-Aid is that, anyway?
But I'm pretty sure that if we would keep our noses the hell out of other countries business, there would be a lot less chaos and carnage in the world.
I am sick of our government wreaking havoc and destroying/killing innocent people. Do you honestly think they meddle with all of these other countries to "keep America safe" or "spread democracy"? -Which btw, spreading democracy is not our job, and America is definitely not being kept safe with all the BS we're doing around the world.
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All that reading and you still can't find a sane person that agrees with your insane conspiracy?
Like I've already said TWICE, I'm not going to bother looking for something that wouldn't matter to you anyways, because no matter what, according to YOU, anyone who agrees with me about anything is a kook.
But how about this, as soon as you can post an mainstream news article that talked about those declassified documents showing how the US knew about what sort of nightmare they were going to unleash on Iraq by destroying their water/sewer systems, then I'll go looking for "a sane person who agrees with me". I think it's been almost a year since I asked you for a national news article about that? So?
Botto:
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So keep your little ostrich heads in the sand, and keep voting R or D like your guy is going to make it all right, and their guy is the Spawn of Satan. Yeah, keep that kook crap up. It's worked out so well, thus far.
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 18 2013,11:34 am
Botto? If he didn't have the internet to preach his doom and gloom he'd be downtown Austin wearing a "The End is Near" sandwich board.
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 18 2013,1:38 pm
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< Syria Gives Russia Chemical Weapons Evidence >
Syria has turned over materials to Russia...
Syria has turned over materials to Russia...
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Sep. 18 2013,1:44 pm
liberal:QUOTE
Botto? If he didn't have the internet to preach his doom and gloom he'd be downtown Austin wearing a "The End is Near" sandwich board.
Well, you consider anyone who tries to discuss any topic that you deem unworthy is a kook. And anyone who does discuss a topic you deem worthy but who doesn't agree with your point of view is also a kook.
You should change the name of the forum from Albert Lea Discussion Forum to The World According To Liberal.
So it appears that the only sane people in the forum anymore are you and alcitizen.
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 18 2013,1:54 pm
As a rule if you believe in every conspiracy imaginable (like you and Botto) then I consider you a kook.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Sep. 18 2013,2:02 pm
(Liberal @ Sep. 18 2013,1:54 pm)
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As a rule if you believe in every conspiracy imaginable (like you and Botto) then I consider you a kook.
Um yeah, because Botto and I believe in every conspiracy theory there is. And funny how, no matter what, if a certain topic or question is brought up you automatically label it as conspiracy kookery. And the more questions YOU can't answer, the dumber YOU look, the more belligerent and ridiculous you get.
You automatically label anything that you deem unworthy as conspiracy kookery. Plus how you lie and twist anything possible when it comes to subjects or questions you don't like. -- Like how you tried to infer that I called the Sandy Hook shooting a hoax and if you had lost a loved one and some stupid cow told you it was a hoax you would spit in her face.
You're pathetic, and you've been making an idiot out of yourself for way too long now. Don't you think you should stop?
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 18 2013,2:55 pm
Or you could avoid the abuse by not posting your crazy conspiracy theories. Why not save the crazy posts for the conspiracy websites?
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Sep. 18 2013,4:15 pm
(Liberal @ Sep. 18 2013,2:55 pm)
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Or you could avoid the abuse by not posting your crazy conspiracy theories. Why not save the crazy posts for the conspiracy websites?
I've never considered anything you've said to me as abuse. For it to be abuse it would have to negatively effect me in some way. I don't consider a mosquito flying around the room at night abusive, just annoying. It does bother me that because of your illogical belligerence, most likely you are stopping more people from discussing things.
How does anything I've said about Sandy Hook constitute conspiracy theory? I'd just like to have some questions answered. Does it make sense, in any way, that those people were denied medical help? What is the distance from the school to the firehouse?
< http://www.nytimes.com/interac...ml?_r=0 >
Looks pretty damn far to me. Not allow ambulances and EMT's up to the school? Walk a couple gurneys up to the school, cops carry a couple injured people out and then push them all the way down to the firehouse? - I have a feeling you're the only person on the forum who doesn't wonder what was up with that.
And why do you freak out when logical questions about 911 and the investigations are brought up? Three buildings fell at free-fall speed. One not even hit by a plane. The NIST investigation can't even explain it completely and they won't even release their computations for peers to study. Did you know that a self-cleaning oven gets hotter for longer than the NIST evaluation of beams says those beams got? And even if those beams did get to the crazy high temperatures it would take to be a problem, how can 100+ story buildings fall at free fall speed. People weren't pleased with their evaluations at all so they asked for the 9-11 Commission, and when the majority of the commissioners say publicly that the investigation was a sham, but nothing is done about it, then why can't people ask questions?
Two investigations, both were a joke. But people aren't supposed to ask questions? And of all the comments you made in the 9-11 topic, was there a single one that was relevant or constructive? Nope. You can't find an answer for something you just get ridiculous or start calling people names. Just because YOU say the topic is not worthy.
NIST investigation a joke. Commission investigation an admitted joke. But we're all supposed to just sit back and pretend it doesn't matter.
And you call other people crazy?
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 18 2013,4:39 pm
Nuts.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Sep. 18 2013,5:01 pm
That's #38 again huh Maddog?
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 18 2013,5:27 pm
#25 and #38.
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 18 2013,8:26 pm
You seemed to have confused me with someone that is debating something with you. I'm not debating your crazy ass conspiracies, I'm just pointing out that you're crazy.
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 18 2013,9:04 pm
Which conspiracies are you referring to? Is there any proof in these conspiracies? Is there a concensus among my peers these are crazy? Or is it your judgement that these supposed conspiracies you are referring to are crazy? Perhaps it is just the way people in your frame of mind debate opinions you feel strongly about.
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 18 2013,9:28 pm
Debate? What am I debating with the kook? I'm not about to debate 9/11, the Aurora shooting or the Sandy Hook shooting with a crazy person.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Sep. 18 2013,10:30 pm
The buildings fell by magic, the NIST reorts prove that, each and every revised edition, and anyone who doubts this is CRAZY!!!!So what if the commissioners said their investigation was a sham and a joke! It doesn't matter, and anyone who thinks it does is a kook!!
Nobody in their right mind would let ambulances or EMT's get anywhere near a bunch of injured kids to try and save them! That would be stupid, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a moron!
Seriously, is this guy for real? What planet is liberal from?
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 18 2013,10:58 pm
< http://www.co.freeborn.mn.us/hs/mhc/default.aspx >
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 18 2013,11:26 pm
Can you explain your Sandy Hook conspiracy again? I honestly just glance over your posts so I never really paid attention to that conspiracy. Is it that you think the government faked it and nobody was really killed, or do you believe people were killed by the government and then they pinned it on Adam Lanza? And do you base the entire conspiracy on the fact that they used the Fire Hall for a staging area?
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 19 2013,2:13 am
I never read posts by Rosalind Swenson anymore.. My eyes started bleeding after reading her crap..
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 19 2013,2:52 am
(Self-Banished @ Sep. 18 2013,3:28 am)
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^no dunbass
We will be paying disability benefits to 10's of thousands of brave men and women that Bush crippled, for decades to come..
Americans killed on September 11, 2001: 3000..
Americans killed by Bush: 7000..
Who the hell are you calling a dunbass? You are the frikin dunbass..
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 19 2013,4:24 am
^ you, dumbass
Posted by Botto 82 on Sep. 19 2013,6:43 am
(alcitizens @ Sep. 19 2013,2:52 am)
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Americans killed on September 11, 2001: 3000..
Americans killed by Bush: 7000..
Americans killed by Bush: 7000..
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Meanwhile, others continue to adhere to, or even perpetuate the dual party meme of governance, holding dearly to the notion that there is a practical difference between the Republican and Democrat parties. Have we not seen sufficient evidence that they are now of one party acting in concert with each other? They cannot see the collusion and backroom deals, and continue to hope that the next election will finally change the unchangeable continuity of agenda.
You're an even bigger ideologue than I thought.
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 19 2013,7:48 am
More conspiracy crap? So you believe there's no difference between the two parties and they essentially put on theatrical displays in Congress because all the decisions have already been made by some shadow government that only answers to the Rothschilds/Bilderbergs/Reptilian overlords or whatever the conspiracy of the day is?
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Sep. 19 2013,8:19 am
OK, since every time I open my mouth you pounce like a rabid dog, either lying, twisting or just calling me names, I'm going to assume the silent majority want me out of the forum as much as you do. Since winning seems to be the only thing important to you, no matter the cost. I concede. Everything I have ever said is irrelevant and nonsensical. I'm a fear-mongering conspiracy kook, everything the US government does is perfectly reasonable and in our best interests. We are the most well-informed citizens in the world thanks to our fantastic, honest, independent national news media. Everything is fine and everything is going to remain fine for eternity.
This is my last post.
Happy now?
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 19 2013,8:34 am
(Botto 82 @ Sep. 19 2013,6:43 am)
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Meanwhile, others continue to adhere to, or even perpetuate the dual party meme of governance, holding dearly to the notion that there is a practical difference between the Republican and Democrat parties. Have we not seen sufficient evidence that they are now of one party acting in concert with each other? They cannot see the collusion and backroom deals, and continue to hope that the next election will finally change the unchangeable continuity of agenda.
You're an even bigger ideologue than I thought.
FOX News has been beating this drum everyday for nearly a year that 4 Americans including the Ambassador to Libya were killed by radicals and the State Department allowed it..
Do you see where I'm going with this? While our troops are still being maimed and killed every month in Afghanistan, FOX News continues to dwell on these 4 deaths in Benghazi.. Its sad they died but its old news, case closed..
I think the Radical Right has completely lost their frikin minds and their patriotism..
7000 Americans Killed in Bush's Iraq and Afghanistan Wars..
4 Americans Killed in Benghazi, Libya by terrorists ..
Absolutely no comparison.
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 19 2013,10:15 am
^ you're just berating FOX because they're shining light on a grossly incompetent administration that like our people die in the the field, nothing more nothing less.
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 19 2013,1:30 pm
(Liberal @ Sep. 19 2013,7:48 am)
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More conspiracy crap? So you believe there's no difference between the two parties and they essentially put on theatrical displays in Congress because all the decisions have already been made by some shadow government that only answers to the Rothschilds/Bilderbergs/Reptilian overlords or whatever the conspiracy of the day is?
It must be difficult trying to keep all these different views you dismissively identify as conspiracies straight. Everything that you disagree with seems to be a conspiracy. Do you actually think that all these ideas or accusations are mere figments of the imagination? Do you really think that there is no substance in the many issues you have dismissed as faulty wiring in other people's brains? That Fast and Furious never happened. That the NSA never spied in peoples lives, the IRS never targeted any one group and Benghazi is a figment off our imagination and that four men died because of a video?
You claim so many of us are crazy. No one can meet your expectations except for those who agree with you. Most of us must be uneducated mentally handicapped zombies who do nothing but stare out the window and dream up silly notions and see UFO's in the sky at night and drones flying over Albert Lea during the day. I don't know how you can live in a society full of so many freaks, idiots and crazy people? Those who have different views are not welcome. Could you call what you have, political or social racism?
But here's something for you to remember. There are many of us who don't necessarily care to carry a label of "R" or "D" in our association of a political party, but more so refer to ourselves as a form of independent. Make no mistake, most of us are American patriots through and through. When we say "God Bless America," we mean God - Bless - America. We are independent Americans who do not support One World Government. Something that shows that many of us are not party affiliated. Bush, Clinton and Obama have all supported this world plan. We care about truth, both in our daily lives and in government. We love God, the Bible, America and our guns. We wish to protect the "Government for which it Stands. one nation, under God, with liberty, and justice for all.
You call each of these issues conspiracies. You call anyone who believes different than you nuts, idiots or crazy. Perhaps you should step back and view these instances as real. Many "conspiracy theories" in the past 20 years have turned out to be a real conspiracy.
We can see that our government has already been hijacked by both parties. Every week a new scandal erupts. Evidence of U.S. government corruption is literally everywhere today. The social degradation of America is in every aspect of our lives.
While many of us view things differently than you, make no mistake, we are still paying attention. In fact we are now paying attention like we have never paid attention before due to what is happening to this world and in particular, this once great nation. We aren't stupid and we aren't crazy like you wish to make us. We are paying attention.
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 19 2013,2:29 pm
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Could you call what you have, political or social racism?
I don't think you understand what the word racism means.
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But here's something for you to remember. There are many of us who don't necessarily care to carry a label of "R" or "D" in our association of a political party, but more so refer to ourselves as a form of independent.
independent? You're one of the biggest gop supporters on the forum. The fact that you would call yourself an independents proves you don't have a real tight grip on reality.
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In fact we are now paying attention like we have never paid attention before due to what is happening to this world and in particular, this once great nation. We aren't stupid and we aren't crazy like you wish to make us. We are paying attention.
Paying attention? You people are so delusional, do you really think that you pay closer attention than the sane people that believe hijacked planes brought down the WTC?
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 19 2013,5:03 pm
"You people?" Can you give me a list of the "you people." people?
Posted by Botto 82 on Sep. 19 2013,7:12 pm
(MADDOG @ Sep. 19 2013,1:30 pm)
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It must be difficult trying to keep all these different views you dismissively identify as conspiracies straight. Everything that you disagree with seems to be a conspiracy. Do you actually think that all these ideas or accusations are mere figments of the imagination? Do you really think that there is no substance in the many issues you have dismissed as faulty wiring in other people's brains?
Bold text mine, but, yeah... I'd really like some non-ad-hominem dialogue on that, Mr. Sane Guy.
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 19 2013,9:38 pm
(MADDOG @ Sep. 19 2013,5:03 pm)
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"You people?" Can you give me a list of the "you people." people?
Am I wrong to assume English is your first language? You seem to struggle with basic statements. Most people understand that when I said "you people" I was referring to you crazy conspiracy theorists, and you want me to list every conspiracy throrists?
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 19 2013,9:41 pm
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I'd really like some non-ad-hominem dialogue on that, Mr. Sane Guy.
I wouldn't waste 5 minutes of my life discussing your looney conspiracy theories.
Posted by Botto 82 on Sep. 19 2013,9:50 pm
(Liberal @ Sep. 19 2013,9:41 pm)
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I'd really like some non-ad-hominem dialogue on that, Mr. Sane Guy.
I wouldn't waste 5 minutes of my life discussing your looney conspiracy theories.
I'd be willing to bet you really fire up the lucky lady in your life with that bravado.
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 19 2013,10:41 pm
Bravado? How do you get that out of me not wanting to waste my time discussing a conspiracy theory with someone that believes just about every conspiracy theory ever imagined.I've debated the 9/11 thing in the past with some kook on this forum and it's pointless. They say crazy things like claiming that it was a missile that hit the Pentagon and they claim the proof is that no airplane parts were found. When they're shown pictures of airplane parts in the wreckage they claim they could have been trucked in there. How crazy do you have to be to believe that?
It's about as believable as the syrian rebel conspiracy. Who would ever believe that the rebels stole sarin, mixing equipment, rockets, and launchers from the Syrian military. Then they got into the Syrian government stronghold on top of a hill NW of Damascus, mixed up the sarin, launched a sustained rocket and artillery attack on their own people, then escaped without anyone seeing them. If someone believes something that crazy there's no point in debating anything with them.
Just out of curiosity, do you just believe conspiracy theories, or do you believe other things like Crypto zoology, or ghosts?
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 20 2013,3:41 am
(MADDOG @ Sep. 19 2013,5:03 pm)
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"You people?" Can you give me a list of the "you people." people?
"You people" are those without a lick of "Common Sense"..
< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_sense >
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 20 2013,4:17 am
^ like POS Obama
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 20 2013,5:24 am
Lib, is Alky your little lapdog?Kinda like this?
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 20 2013,6:12 am
(Liberal @ Sep. 19 2013,9:38 pm)
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(MADDOG @ Sep. 19 2013,5:03 pm)
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"You people?" Can you give me a list of the "you people." people?
Am I wrong to assume English is your first language? You seem to struggle with basic statements. Most people understand that when I said "you people" I was referring to you crazy conspiracy theorists, and you want me to list every conspiracy throrists?
Naw, just start out with something small. Let's start out with just the list on this forum. Be sure not to miss anyone. We wouldn't want them to feel left out.
Planes not bringing down buildings. I didn't do that one. Nor did I say that Syrian rebels gassed themselves. Another possibility is that Syrian forces attacked without presidential authorization. But I didn't say I believed that either. I merely pointed out other theories. You must have come to your own conclusions.
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I wouldn't waste 5 minutes of my life discussing your looney conspiracy theories.
And yet you repeatedly waste countless time venting what idiots everyone is when others bring up 'conspiracies' or point out other possibilities.Crypto zoology or ghosts? I guess for a person who has no faith, nothing like this is possible. Try Matthew 19.
Posted by Common Citizen on Sep. 20 2013,3:18 pm
(alcitizens @ Sep. 19 2013,2:52 am)
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(Self-Banished @ Sep. 18 2013,3:28 am)
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^no dunbass
We will be paying disability benefits to 10's of thousands of brave men and women that Bush crippled, for decades to come..
Americans killed on September 11, 2001: 3000..
Americans killed by Bush: 7000..
Who the hell are you calling a dunbass? You are the frikin dunbass..
Do you realize over 5,500 men, women, and children have been murdered in Chicago since 9/11?
Outraged at the liberals that run that town and their policies that contribute to this carnage?
Of course not, because you're a simpleton.
nuff said...
Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 20 2013,3:45 pm
CC Flip Floop!QUOTE
Do you realize over 5,500 men, women, and children have been murdered in Chicago since 9/11?
Outraged at the liberals that run that town and their policies that contribute to this carnage?
Of course not, because you're a simpleton.
nuff said...
Outraged at the liberals that run that town and their policies that contribute to this carnage?
Of course not, because you're a simpleton.
nuff said...
So now you’re advocating gun control?
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 20 2013,3:49 pm
(Common Citizen @ Sep. 20 2013,3:18 pm)
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Do you realize over 5,500 men, women, and children have been murdered in Chicago since 9/11?
Outraged at the liberals that run that town and their policies that contribute to this carnage?
Of course not, because you're a simpleton.
nuff said...
Outraged at the liberals that run that town and their policies that contribute to this carnage?
Of course not, because you're a simpleton.
nuff said...
Yet FOX News wants to hammer on and on and on about 4 Americans killed in Benghazi..
Chicago homicides in 2010 fell to lowest level since 1965
< http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-01...-crimes >
High youth/minority unemployment, access to guns and gangs are reason for violence..
The majority of violence is black on black..
Posted by Common Citizen on Sep. 20 2013,3:59 pm
(Expatriate @ Sep. 20 2013,3:45 pm)
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CC Flip Floop!
So now you’re advocating gun control?
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Do you realize over 5,500 men, women, and children have been murdered in Chicago since 9/11?
Outraged at the liberals that run that town and their policies that contribute to this carnage?
Of course not, because you're a simpleton.
nuff said...
Outraged at the liberals that run that town and their policies that contribute to this carnage?
Of course not, because you're a simpleton.
nuff said...
So now you’re advocating gun control?
Absolutely not.
You may need to re-read my post. I am implying that liberal policies (including their strict gun laws) are not working thus contributing to the massive murder rates.
I am further pointing out that alcitizens gets his panties in bunch when blaming deaths on Bush because of his political affiliation all the while his party is swimming in the same sewer.
Posted by Common Citizen on Sep. 20 2013,4:07 pm
(alcitizens @ Sep. 20 2013,3:49 pm)
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(Common Citizen @ Sep. 20 2013,3:18 pm)
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Do you realize over 5,500 men, women, and children have been murdered in Chicago since 9/11?
Outraged at the liberals that run that town and their policies that contribute to this carnage?
Of course not, because you're a simpleton.
nuff said...
Outraged at the liberals that run that town and their policies that contribute to this carnage?
Of course not, because you're a simpleton.
nuff said...
Yet FOX News wants to hammer on and on and on about 4 Americans killed in Benghazi..
Chicago homicides in 2010 fell to lowest level since 1965
< http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-01...-crimes >
High youth/minority unemployment, access to guns and gangs are reason for violence..
The majority of violence is black on black..
I never referred to Benghazi in my post.
I'm glad you're proud that the murder rate went from 459 in 2009 to 436 in 2010, and then back up to 506 last year.
You forgot to give the liberals props for 2011. It went down by one body to 435.
Great job!!
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 20 2013,4:14 pm
(alcitizens @ Sep. 20 2013,3:49 pm)
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(Common Citizen @ Sep. 20 2013,3:18 pm)
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Do you realize over 5,500 men, women, and children have been murdered in Chicago since 9/11?
Outraged at the liberals that run that town and their policies that contribute to this carnage?
Of course not, because you're a simpleton.
nuff said...
Outraged at the liberals that run that town and their policies that contribute to this carnage?
Of course not, because you're a simpleton.
nuff said...
Yet FOX News wants to hammer on and on and on about 4 Americans killed in Benghazi..
Chicago homicides in 2010 fell to lowest level since 1965
< http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-01...-crimes >
High youth/minority unemployment, access to guns and gangs are reason for violence..
The majority of violence is black on black..
So what you're saying is that because it was "only" four americans killed that it isn't important enough to investigate.
I see...
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 20 2013,4:36 pm
I found it humorous that CC posted the number of homocides since 9/11 and alki then rebuttals with a link to a newpaper article pre-9/11.
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 20 2013,4:43 pm
(MADDOG @ Sep. 20 2013,4:36 pm)
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I found it humorous that CC posted the number of homocides since 9/11 and alki then rebuttals with a link to a newpaper article pre-9/11.
Are you still struggling with Dyslexia?
Or do you think 5500 people have died in Chicago over the past 9 days?
The article I posted is from January 03, 2011.. Not 2001..
< http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-01...-crimes >
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 20 2013,5:11 pm
(Common Citizen @ Sep. 20 2013,4:07 pm)
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You forgot to give the liberals props for 2011. It went down by one body to 435.
Great job!!
Great job!!
I stand corrected..
Chicago homicides in 2011 fell to lowest level since 1965
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 20 2013,5:13 pm
FBI: Chicago passes New York as murder capital of U.S.By Reid Wilson, Published: September 18 at 9:00 amE-mail the writer
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The city of Chicago registered more homicides than any city in the nation in 2012, surpassing even New York — despite the fact that the Second City has only one third as many residents as the Big Apple.
In new crime statistics released Monday, the Federal Bureau of Investigation reported 500 murders in Chicago in 2012, up sharply from the 431 recorded in 2011. New York reported 419 murders last year, compared with 515 in 2011.
But residents of Chicago and New York were much less likely to be victims of a homicide than residents of Flint, Mich. Sixty-three murders occurred in 2012 in Flint, a city of 101,632, meaning one in every 1,613 city residents were homicide victims. Detroit, which experienced 386 homicides in 2012, was almost as unsafe; that’s enough murders to account for one in every 1,832 residents.
So how's that murder rate working in Chicago?
Posted by irisheyes on Sep. 21 2013,12:51 am
(Common Citizen @ Sep. 20 2013,3:59 pm)
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I am implying that liberal policies (including their strict gun laws) are not working thus contributing to the massive murder rates.
So the total murders are high in a city with a high population. I'm shocked, shocked I say!!
Per capita is always a more accurate focus, but media prefers to use aggregate numbers. The per capita murder rate of < New Orleans > is far higher than Chicago, and they're a state on the opposite spectrum of Illinois when it comes to gun control.
And since gun control measures are usually an issue of state law, consider that the murder rate per 100,000 in Louisiana is twice that of both Illinois and New York. Minnesota is known as much stricter on gun control than Louisiana or Texas, but our per capita murder rates are a fraction of their numbers, the rates per 100,000 murdered in Louisiana are nearly ten times higher than that of Minnesota.
If I was using conservative logic I would look at the high murder rates in Louisiana and Texas and blame it on conservatives, maybe I'd start a topic blaming Rick Parry and Bobby Jindal for contributing to all those deaths.
S.B.
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the Federal Bureau of Investigation reported 500 murders in Chicago in 2012, up sharply from the 431 recorded in 2011. New York reported 419 murders last year, compared with 515 in 2011.
The total murders in Chicago was < 399 in 1928 >. That was a few years before the National Firearms Act of 1934 instituting restrictions on machine guns and short-barrel shotguns, and long before the Gun Control Act of 1968. So obviously it's likely that year to year Chicago's murder rate is going to be in the several hundred regardless of whether gun control is non-existent (1928) or strict (currently).
If gun control is to blame, than why did 399 people get killed before modern gun control even began?
Posted by Botto 82 on Sep. 21 2013,6:02 am
I wonder how many of those murders don't involve handguns? And how high does that number have to be to render the whole gun control discussion moot?If we were so bloody concerned about the damned murders, we'd be focusing on what people were murdering each other for, and not the instruments they were using to murder each other with.
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 21 2013,6:26 am
(alcitizens @ Sep. 20 2013,4:43 pm)
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The article I posted is from January 03, 2011.. Not 2001..
< http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-01...-crimes >
< http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-01...-crimes >
I admit my error. I was in the middle of a couple other things. Whoops.
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 21 2013,6:28 pm
Syria turns over list of chemical arsenal in 1st step of disarmamentRead more here: < http://www.miamiherald.com/2013...ink=cpy >
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 22 2013,4:09 am
(alcitizens @ Sep. 21 2013,6:28 pm)
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Syria turns over list of chemical arsenal in 1st step of disarmament
Read more here: < http://www.miamiherald.com/2013...ink=cpy >
Read more here: < http://www.miamiherald.com/2013...ink=cpy >
Whoopee
I sorry,
Whoopee SH!t
Posted by Common Citizen on Sep. 22 2013,1:46 pm
(irisheyes @ Sep. 21 2013,12:51 am)
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(Common Citizen @ Sep. 20 2013,3:59 pm)
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I am implying that liberal policies (including their strict gun laws) are not working thus contributing to the massive murder rates.
So the total murders are high in a city with a high population. I'm shocked, shocked I say!!
Per capita is always a more accurate focus, but media prefers to use aggregate numbers. The per capita murder rate of < New Orleans > is far higher than Chicago, and they're a state on the opposite spectrum of Illinois when it comes to gun control.
And since gun control measures are usually an issue of state law, consider that the murder rate per 100,000 in Louisiana is twice that of both Illinois and New York. Minnesota is known as much stricter on gun control than Louisiana or Texas, but our per capita murder rates are a fraction of their numbers, the rates per 100,000 murdered in Louisiana are nearly ten times higher than that of Minnesota.
If I was using conservative logic I would look at the high murder rates in Louisiana and Texas and blame it on conservatives, maybe I'd start a topic blaming Rick Parry and Bobby Jindal for contributing to all those deaths.
S.B.
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the Federal Bureau of Investigation reported 500 murders in Chicago in 2012, up sharply from the 431 recorded in 2011. New York reported 419 murders last year, compared with 515 in 2011.
The total murders in Chicago was < 399 in 1928 >. That was a few years before the National Firearms Act of 1934 instituting restrictions on machine guns and short-barrel shotguns, and long before the Gun Control Act of 1968. So obviously it's likely that year to year Chicago's murder rate is going to be in the several hundred regardless of whether gun control is non-existent (1928) or strict (currently).
If gun control is to blame, than why did 399 people get killed before modern gun control even began?
WTF are you talking about?
We're not talking about per capita murder rates. We're talking about alcitizens capacity to selectively place blame on government officials for people dying and I called him out on it.
I don't give a f*** about the per capita...that's not the point of my posts. Now if you want to start a new debate regarding per capita murder rates... then that's different.
nuff said..
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 22 2013,5:23 pm
(Common Citizen @ Sep. 22 2013,1:46 pm)
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We're talking about alcitizens capacity to selectively place blame on government officials for people dying and I called him out on it.
Selectively? Bush signed an order to send Americans into harms way..
Bush signed 7000 Americans to death and 10's of thousands to permanent injuries in Iraq and Afghanistan..
Nobody signed orders for the thousands of people who die or are injured on American streets through violence every year..
Yet FOX News wants to hammer on and on and on about 4 Americans killed in Benghazi..
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 22 2013,5:40 pm
^ and yet again I ask this idiot! why is the death of 4 Americans unimportant.
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 23 2013,12:31 am
(Self-Banished @ Sep. 22 2013,5:40 pm)
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^ and yet again I ask this idiot! why is the death of 4 Americans unimportant.
It was very important to the terrorists that these 4 Americans were killed in Benghazi..
I feel really bad that terrorists killed these 4 innocent American citizens in Benghazi..
I feel really, really bad if I came across insensitive to you and FOX News that these 4 Americans perished in Benghazi..
May those 4 Americans that died in Benghazi rest in peace along with the 7000 Americans sent to their deaths by President Bush in Iraq and Afghanistan..
Posted by Glad I Left on Sep. 23 2013,8:35 am
^ yep. Its still all bush's fault. #facepalm
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 23 2013,6:54 pm
Now Kenya's in play, terrorist take over a mall and execute 70 non-Muslim people. I suppose Obama's gonna want to come in and help the "home team"
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 23 2013,11:27 pm
(Glad I Left @ Sep. 23 2013,8:35 am)
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^ yep. Its still all bush's fault.
They don't say the President of the United States is the most powerful person in the World for nothing.. Our military is devastating and the President is the only person on the planet that can unleash that kind devastation..
Bush may not be responsible for those that died in Benghazi but he is the sole person responsible for those that died in Iraq and Afghanistan, Americans and civilians..
Obama would have only bombed the hell out of the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan with Tomahawk missiles and kept them contained until they crumbled..
With the long term Trillions of Dollars that Bush spent on Wars and rebuilding countries, Obama could have completely devastated Al Qaeda and Saddam years ago with Trillions of Dollars still left in the bank..
Who the frik is really financially conservative? Not Republicans..
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 24 2013,5:02 am
So you 're saying with President POS at the helm no innocents will die, no collateral damage.
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 24 2013,5:31 am
How many Americans died when Obama saved a million Libyan's from being slaughtered in Benghazi?How many Americans died when Obama saved Syrian's from being gassed any further?
Yes, bombs kill innocent people.. Bombs can also save innocent people..
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 24 2013,6:23 am
The point being is that it's none of our business whether it be Bush, Obama or any other president. It's terrorism and terrorism is a tactic. It's just going to escalate the longer we're there. We should be there and they don't want us there.President POS has better things to do like fix our broken economy
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 24 2013,7:15 am
No country wants to be occupied by foreigners and yes it will only escalate the problem.. Would we want to be occupied? Just the thought of the wrath of U.S. Military force requires no bombs as in Syria, they called Uncle and it saved people from being gassed..
Bush terrorized the countries he invaded and occupied, then we had to rebuild their country and they all still hate us, even the side we supported..
Obama showed he would use force without occupation, Gadaffi in Libya didn't fear the threat and paid the price..
While Assad/Putin and Iran knew better than to deal with the wrath of force by the U.S. Military.. They bowed to the World's Supreme Leader of Peace, Obama..
The U.S. economy is doing pretty good considering Bush collapsed the entire economy in 2008..
Republicans have been trying for five years to wreck the progress to the economy made by Obama..
Our economy would be even better if the Right-Wing didn't continue to play politics with our lives..
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 24 2013,7:53 am
Obama only got involved with Libya and Syria because of humanitarian reasons.. Genocide in Libya and Genocide in Syria..
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 24 2013,9:41 am
(alcitizens @ Sep. 24 2013,7:53 am)
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Obama only got involved with Libya and Syria because of humanitarian reasons.. Genocide in Libya and Genocide in Syria..
Muslims have been killing each other for centuries
f%*~k humanitarianism
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 24 2013,5:38 pm
(Self-Banished @ Sep. 24 2013,9:41 am)
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Muslims have been killing each other for centuries
f%*~k humanitarianism
f%*~k humanitarianism
So genocide is cool with you?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."
Freedom of Religion
Just because you worship Bush doesn't mean I'd ever wish ill will upon you..
Posted by Botto 82 on Sep. 24 2013,5:53 pm
(alcitizens @ Sep. 24 2013,7:15 am)
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The U.S. economy is doing pretty good considering Bush collapsed the entire economy in 2008..
Says who?
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 24 2013,6:05 pm
(alcitizens @ Sep. 24 2013,5:38 pm)
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(Self-Banished @ Sep. 24 2013,9:41 am)
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Muslims have been killing each other for centuries
f%*~k humanitarianism
f%*~k humanitarianism
So genocide is cool with you?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."
Freedom of Religion
Just because you worship Bush doesn't mean I'd ever wish ill will upon you..
What they do over there is their business, not ours
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 24 2013,6:14 pm
(Botto 82 @ Sep. 24 2013,5:53 pm)
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(alcitizens @ Sep. 24 2013,7:15 am)
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The U.S. economy is doing pretty good considering Bush collapsed the entire economy in 2008..
Says who?
Read the tea leaves..
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 24 2013,6:32 pm
(Self-Banished @ Sep. 24 2013,6:05 pm)
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What they do over there is their business, not ours
You are officially Grinning Dragon Jr..
You support Bush occupying two countries in the middle east and then say "What they do over there is their business, not ours"
Frikin Moron..
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 25 2013,4:49 am
(alcitizens @ Sep. 24 2013,6:32 pm)
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(Self-Banished @ Sep. 24 2013,6:05 pm)
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What they do over there is their business, not ours
You are officially Grinning Dragon Jr..
You support Bush occupying two countries in the middle east and then say "What they do over there is their business, not ours"
Frikin Moron..
Never said I supported Bush's wars. Afghanistan was a response to 9/11 but these long drawn out wars need to stop. You yourself said we have an awesome military force. When we're attacked we should release "hell" short, devastating and stay home.
As far as being called GD jr.? I take that as a compliment.
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 25 2013,4:55 am
(alcitizens @ Sep. 24 2013,6:14 pm)
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(Botto 82 @ Sep. 24 2013,5:53 pm)
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(alcitizens @ Sep. 24 2013,7:15 am)
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The U.S. economy is doing pretty good considering Bush collapsed the entire economy in 2008..
Says who?
Read the tea leaves..
Our current high price for precious metals a sign of economic growth? Think maybe it's because we're diluting our money by "printing" $88billion a month.
You Moron
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 25 2013,6:36 am
A stronger US Dollar, Housing and Stock Market are positive indicators of economic growth.. I see gold below $1000 at this time next year if Republicans don't keep making attempts to sabotage the economy..
I like the pic SB..
You need to post one of your personal pics with your head stuck up your big ole fat a$$..
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 25 2013,11:07 am
(alcitizens @ Sep. 25 2013,6:36 am)
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A stronger US Dollar, Housing and Stock Market are positive indicators of economic growth..
I see gold below $1000 at this time next year if Republicans don't keep making attempts to sabotage the economy..
I like the pic SB.. You need to post one of your personal pics with your head stuck up your big ole fat a$$..
I see gold below $1000 at this time next year if Republicans don't keep making attempts to sabotage the economy..
I like the pic SB..
You need to post one of your personal pics with your head stuck up your big ole fat a$$.. When the Stock Market Goes up and the Economy Doesn't
Why is the stock market shooting up while the economy is in the doldrums?
As usual with questions about economics, you can find someone to give you any answer you want.
If you want to hear that the market is revealing the hidden economic strength of this great nation, listen to someone in the Reagan administration.
If you want to think the bull market still has plenty of oomph, read the financial pages or talk to your broker.
If you believe that greed is always punished and what goes up must come down, John Kenneth Galbraith is the man for you. He sees in the current market a "mass escape into make-believe", like the one he wrote about in The Great Crash 1929.
Unfortunately, the evidence is on Galbraith's side.
The Dow Jones industrial average has nearly tripled since mid-1982. It went up 14% just in the month of January 1987. But even by the most optimistic measures, production of real goods and services has grown by no more than 20% since 1982. Industrial production has been essentially stagnant for the past two years.
The farm, fuel, minerals, steel, and machinery sectors are in deep depression. Personal, corporate, government, and foreign debt levels are at all-time highs. The unemployment rate, after four years of recovery, is about 7%, which used to be the recession high, not the recovery low. About the only booming activities are the defense industry and the business of raiding, merging, divesting, and leveraging companies.
In short, no perceivable improvement in the productive capacity of the real economy justifies the current rise in the stock market.
Then why is it rising?
Because people who have more money than they need have to put it somewhere; they prefer to put it where it will generate more money; these days the stock market is about the only place for it to go.
Since taxes were cut in 1980, there are more people with more excess money than there have been since -- I hate to say it -- 1929.
When the real economy is growing, that money can go into real investments -- factories, machines, farms. But this is a time of glut. The world is producing more oil, wheat, shoes, steel, textiles, and automobiles than people can buy. One-fifth of U.S. manufacturing plants are standing idle. Farmland prices are deflating. There's little opportunity for real productive expansion.
Interest rates on bonds and Treasury notes are going down. Gold and rare art and second-home lots in the country can only absorb so much dough. Therefore much of the money that's sloshing around is going into stocks.
The stock market always has the potential to go into a boom. Stock prices go up a little, people earn interesting returns. More loose money comes to the market, prices go up even more, attracting still more money. Rumors about a bull market begin; more money comes in. How can you beat 14% per month?
Usually the market doesn't become completely unhinged from the underlying value of the shares. The last time it did, in 1929, the real economy was also overbuilt; the rich had just received tax cuts; financiers in Wall Street had become objects of public admiration (and then objects of scandal); many clever devices to leverage debt with no underlying assets had been invented; and government officials were acting primarily as cheerleaders and weren't paying much attention to what was really going on.
You can draw your own conclusions. I have drawn mine, and Galbraith has drawn his. He attributes the periodic appearance of senseless stock booms to two basic flaws in human character: the desire to get rich without effort, and the shortness of the public memory.
I guess I'm not as misanthropic as Galbraith is. I think that market booms and crashes, along with many other ills of our age, come simply from a false, unnecessary, and changeable way of thinking -- our strange belief that wealth should grow naturally at 3% or 5% or 7% per year.
Nothing real can grow like that for very long. If our production of steel and food and haircuts increased steadily at 3.5% per year, within a century we would have 32 times more of everything. If real growth went on for a century at 7% per year, we'd be producing over a THOUSAND times more. Some poor countries could use that kind of growth for awhile, but a country as rich as ours wouldn't know what to do with all the stuff, even if we let the poor in on the distribution.
The real material economy cannot, should not, and will not grow continuously. If the money economy tries to keep growing in the absence of real investments, it will create fake ones. Money assets will boom ahead of real assets until their disconnection from each other becomes obvious. At that point money assets will crash back to the level of the real economy, or, in a crisis of confidence, below that level for a period of depression.
I know how hard it is for our society to loosen its grip on the concept of Ever More and to contemplate the idea of Enough. But I recommend trying it. Not only might it release us from cycles of boom and bust, it might even bring us to an economy designed around real human welfare instead of constant growth. Maybe we could even learn what life might be about, when it isn't about making more money.
I lived that pic from your family album.
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 25 2013,11:22 am
Yes indeed, a great economy,46.5 million on food stamps
Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 19 2013,9:03 am
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< Saudi Arabia rejects seat on UN Security Council >
UNITED NATIONS — Just hours after winning a coveted place on the U.N. Security Council for the first time, Saudi Arabia did a stunning about-face Friday and rejected the seat, denouncing the body for failing to resolve world conflicts such as the Syrian civil war.
The unprecedented move at the United Nations appeared largely directed at Saudi Arabia's longtime ally, the United States, reflecting more than two years of frustration.
The oil giant and the world's superpower are at odds over a number of Mideast issues, including how Washington has handled some of the region's crises, particularly in Egypt and Syria.
UNITED NATIONS — Just hours after winning a coveted place on the U.N. Security Council for the first time, Saudi Arabia did a stunning about-face Friday and rejected the seat, denouncing the body for failing to resolve world conflicts such as the Syrian civil war.
The unprecedented move at the United Nations appeared largely directed at Saudi Arabia's longtime ally, the United States, reflecting more than two years of frustration.
The oil giant and the world's superpower are at odds over a number of Mideast issues, including how Washington has handled some of the region's crises, particularly in Egypt and Syria.
Saudi is more or less outraged over Bambino's stance with Syria and perhaps more particular, with Iran.
Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 19 2013,2:48 pm
So you think the UN should be run like radical right-wing countries? Veto power by Russia and China make it pretty conservative and dysfunctional..
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 19 2013,6:37 pm
Why not, the Dems want our country tone more like Russia and china
Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 19 2013,8:07 pm
First. The U.N. is a joke. Without U.S. support the U.N. never has had any teeth and Russia and China have always kept the U.S. in check. (with bambino in office, nearly checkmate.)I think Saudi is more making a political statement to show it's displeasure of American foreign policy in the Middle East. They are making noise. And why not. No matter the domestic issues in Egypt, Mubarak was an ally to both us and a barrier between Israel and the other muslim countries. Ghadaffi had been more or less neutalized. There would have never been a Benghazi. Now bambino sticks his wet nose into Syria and threatens them. The threats turn out to be empty. Whether I believe that we should have bombed Assad or not isn't the issue. That issue is Ball-less Barak made the line in the stand that he continued to back away from.
Now instead of his promises to "make friends" with the Arab world, he has alienated us from the couple allies we have. This guy has got to be the most worthless PO