Topic: Benghazi Gate
started by: Common Citizen
Posted by Common Citizen on Oct. 29 2012,11:32 pm
What's with the cover up by our lame stream media. I know they are in the tank for Obummer but this is ridiculous. Posted by Liberal on Oct. 30 2012,12:02 am
What is the media covering up?
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 30 2012,5:22 am
^ glaring incompetence.
Posted by Funkadelic Zombie Hunter on Oct. 30 2012,8:01 am
The military does not leave it's own to die only civilians in the chain of command do that, the attack didn't fit the story that was being pushed for chairman 0's election so they left them to die. I guess more "bumps in the road" I know "it's not optimal" but his re-election campaign must go on regardless of body count. 
Posted by usmcr on Oct. 30 2012,8:25 am
top military leaders relieved of their command, namely general ham & admiral gaouette. from what i have gleaned from the press is that their reliefs were due to the events & consequent actions at benghazi. it seems the military has a different attitude when it comes to protecting our interests & citizens abroad! it reminds me of mcarthuer & truman only this is more subtle! i wonder is the military starting to rebel against the curent administration & their political decisions?
Posted by Funkadelic Zombie Hunter on Oct. 30 2012,8:26 am
(Liberal @ Oct. 30 2012,12:02 am)
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What is the media covering up?
I guess hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil comes to mind when I read your statement along with ignorance is bliss you are on of these people------>
Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 30 2012,11:14 am
(usmcr @ Oct. 30 2012,8:25 am)
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i wonder is the military starting to rebel against the current administration & their political decisions?
Wouldn't that be a hoot? Don't forget, the 2 CIA ex-SEALS who disregarded orders to stand down.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Oct. 30 2012,11:37 am
At one of my very first breakfasts, while Berger and Cohen were engaged in a sidebar discussion down at one end of the table and Tenet and Richardson were preoccupied in another, one of the Cabinet members present leaned over to me and said, “Hugh, I know I shouldn’t even be asking you this, but what we really need in order to go in and take out Saddam is a precipitous event — something that would make us look good in the eyes of the world. Could you have one of our U-2s fly low enough — and slow enough — so as to guarantee that Saddam could shoot it down?” The hair on the back of my neck bristled, my teeth clenched, and my fists tightened. I was so mad I was about to explode. I looked across the table, thinking about the pilot in the U-2 and responded, “Of course we can ...” which prompted a big smile on the official’s face.
“You can?” was the excited reply.
“Why, of course we can,” I countered. “Just as soon as we get your ass qualified to fly it, I will have it flown just as low and slow as you want to go.”
The official reeled back and immediately the smile disappeared. “I knew I should not have asked that...”
“No, you should not have,” I strongly agreed, still shocked at the disrespect and sheer audacity of the question. “Remember, there is one of our great Americans flying that U-2, and you are asking me to intentionally send him or her to their death for an opportunity to kick Saddam. The last time I checked, we don’t operate like that here in America.”
< http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id...-airman >
Posted by Funkadelic Zombie Hunter on Oct. 30 2012,8:14 pm
Somebody high up in the administration told them to stand down or do nothing from what I have seen in some of my travels on the net nothing hard yet but it will come somebody IS going down for this it's a matter of time there will be a whistleblower.
Posted by Funkadelic Zombie Hunter on Oct. 30 2012,8:19 pm
The information I heard today was that General Ham as head of Africom received the same e-mails the White House received requesting help/support as the attack was taking place. General Ham immediately had a rapid response unit ready and communicated to the Pentagon that he had a unit ready. General Ham then received the order to stand down. His response was to screw it, he was going to help anyhow. Within 30 seconds to a minute after making the move to respond, his second in command apprehended General Ham and told him that he was now relieved of his command.
Read more: TRR: Is a General losing his job over Benghazi? - Washington Times < http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/...#ixzz2Ai1j5mCL >
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter
Posted by Liberal on Oct. 30 2012,10:09 pm
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Congressman Jason Chaffetz, Utah Republican, said that General Ham told him during a visit to Libya that he had never been asked to provide military support for the Americans under attack in Benghazi.
Posted by Common Citizen on Oct. 30 2012,10:23 pm
Reports that I've read believe that there were 2 U.S. drones in the area. There was also a Specter gun ship (C-130?) in the area for backup.This would make sense since the Tyrone Woods was painting a target which was believed to have been an enemy Mortar unit.
A blog post from a person claiming to be a former Delta Operative stated the following: “Having spent a good bit of time nursing a GLD (ground Laser Designator) in several garden spots around the world, something from the report jumped out at me. One of the former SEALs was actively painting the target. That means that Specter WAS ON STATION! Probably an AC130U,” an airplane. A ground laser designator is not a briefing pointer laser. You do not ‘paint’ a target until the weapons system/designator is synched; which means that the AC130,” the Hercules, “was on station. Only two places could have called off the attack at that point; the WH situation command (based on [presidential] direction) or AFRICOM commander based on information directly from the target area.”
“If the AC130 never left [Italy] (as Penetta says) that means that the Predator that was filming the whole thing was armed. If that SEAL was actively ‘painting’ a target; something was on station to engage! And the decision to stand down goes directly to POTUS!”
No wonder they were trying to blame it on a youtbue video.
The left can make all the excuses they want for Obummer, but if it looks like crap and it smells like crap, then guess what? It's crap.
Posted by usmcr on Oct. 30 2012,10:27 pm
general ham now retiring? it seems like this benghazi thing is starting to unravel! checkout this site for some unnerving insight.
< http://www.democracyforums.com/showthread.php?t=73137 >
if any of this has any truth to it, it will be devastating to the current administration!
no word yet on the fate of the admiral.
another site:
< http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/admiral-gaouette >
Posted by Funkadelic Zombie Hunter on Oct. 31 2012,8:25 am
I am glad the general and admiral disobeyed orders to stand down god knows I would have done the same thing if I was in that position I am surprised the anybody obeyed the order to stand down we don't leave our own the current administration civilians don't understand that nor will they.
Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 31 2012,8:55 am
Facebook protecting Obama?QUOTE
RELEASE: Facebook Censors the SEALs
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
October 30, 2012
Contact: Alex Rosenwald
Phone: 202.558.6640
alex@politicalmedia.com
Facebook Censors the SEALs
Facebook squelches free speech to protect Obama from Benghazi-gate
Today, the founders of Special Operations Speaks PAC – an organization founded by Special Operations veterans dedicated to protecting our forces at home and abroad – released the following statement after Facebook twice censored their meme criticizing President Obama for refusing to save the lives of former Navy SEALS in Benghazi. The meme simply stated, “When Obama called the SEALs, they got bin Laden. When the SEALs called Obama, they got denied.” The meme spread virally throughout Facebook’s network and within in 24 hours almost 30,000 people shared and hundreds of thousands viewed the meme.
The meme was taken down for an unspecified violation of Facebook’s terms of Rights and Responsibilities.
“It looks like Obama’s liberal followers in Facebook HQ are terrified of how damaging the Benghazi scandal is for the President. We understand that Facebook can run their site however they’d like, but when they’re trying to quietly squelch opposition to what is a clear leadership failure that resulted in the tragic deaths of some of our nation’s heroes, they deserve the to be called out on it,” said Larry Bailey, CAPT (SEAL), USN (Ret).
“We are paying advertisers on Facebook. It is outrageous that Mark Zuckerburg, founder of Facebook, who worked to elect Obama in 2008, would sell out patriots who made the ultimate sacrifice – all to serve the political ambitions of the man who let them die.”
“Americans across the country deserve the truth about what happened in Libya, and they certainly deserve to know when people who hold the keys to a lot of their online communications are trying to keep that from them,” continued Colonel Dick Brauer, Jr., USAF (Ret).
“This whole affair has become the poster child for liberal arrogance and incompetence – from the President’s complete leadership failure in Libya to the liberal media’s desperate efforts to keep this out of the hands of the American people across the spectrum from broadcast news to social media. I hope they’ll stop this shameful game and stop sacrificing the truth – and Americans abroad – in the name of politics.”
< Special Operations Speaks >
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
October 30, 2012
Contact: Alex Rosenwald
Phone: 202.558.6640
alex@politicalmedia.com
Facebook Censors the SEALs
Facebook squelches free speech to protect Obama from Benghazi-gate
Today, the founders of Special Operations Speaks PAC – an organization founded by Special Operations veterans dedicated to protecting our forces at home and abroad – released the following statement after Facebook twice censored their meme criticizing President Obama for refusing to save the lives of former Navy SEALS in Benghazi. The meme simply stated, “When Obama called the SEALs, they got bin Laden. When the SEALs called Obama, they got denied.” The meme spread virally throughout Facebook’s network and within in 24 hours almost 30,000 people shared and hundreds of thousands viewed the meme.
The meme was taken down for an unspecified violation of Facebook’s terms of Rights and Responsibilities.
“It looks like Obama’s liberal followers in Facebook HQ are terrified of how damaging the Benghazi scandal is for the President. We understand that Facebook can run their site however they’d like, but when they’re trying to quietly squelch opposition to what is a clear leadership failure that resulted in the tragic deaths of some of our nation’s heroes, they deserve the to be called out on it,” said Larry Bailey, CAPT (SEAL), USN (Ret).
“We are paying advertisers on Facebook. It is outrageous that Mark Zuckerburg, founder of Facebook, who worked to elect Obama in 2008, would sell out patriots who made the ultimate sacrifice – all to serve the political ambitions of the man who let them die.”
“Americans across the country deserve the truth about what happened in Libya, and they certainly deserve to know when people who hold the keys to a lot of their online communications are trying to keep that from them,” continued Colonel Dick Brauer, Jr., USAF (Ret).
“This whole affair has become the poster child for liberal arrogance and incompetence – from the President’s complete leadership failure in Libya to the liberal media’s desperate efforts to keep this out of the hands of the American people across the spectrum from broadcast news to social media. I hope they’ll stop this shameful game and stop sacrificing the truth – and Americans abroad – in the name of politics.”
< Special Operations Speaks >
< http://specialoperationsspeaks.com/ >
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Oct. 31 2012,12:10 pm
Well Maddog, at least nobody from the government has shown up to lock them all in nut houses yet. Or detain them indefinitely at an undisclosed location.
Posted by Funkadelic Zombie Hunter on Oct. 31 2012,4:38 pm
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Oct. 31 2012,12:10 pm)
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Well Maddog, at least nobody from the government has shown up to lock them all in nut houses yet.
Or detain them indefinitely at an undisclosed location.
Or detain them indefinitely at an undisclosed location.
I like camping but not government supervised camping I will decline the invitation the current administration may extend to me.
Posted by irisheyes on Nov. 02 2012,8:56 am
(Common Citizen @ Oct. 30 2012,10:23 pm)
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A blog post from a person claiming to be a former Delta Operative stated the following: “Having spent a good bit of time nursing a GLD (ground Laser Designator) in several garden spots around the world, something from the report jumped out at me...
I'll include the link for the Rush Limbaugh transcript that you're quoting. < Rush Transcript: Latest from Benghazi >
Or, you could check the source that Rush had heard about, which is < a random un-named blogger quoted by Blackfive website >.
But, Blackfive and Rush at some points will specify that these sources are very trusted. And, when blogs and talk radio specifically say that UN-named bloggers they're using as sources are trusted, you know that you can throw critical thinking skills out the window.
So, you've got a guy that used to point a laser for the DoD who apparently knows that this whole thing is Obama's fault. Because, pointing a laser would require knowledge of all of this, WH situation room and all. I admit, I was skeptical until I heard that a caller to the Rush Limbaugh show corroborated his story, since the caller identified himself as another person with knowledge of how this is all Obama's fault.
Of course, this could all be me or another random person making blog posts and calling AM radio to see how many people will believe it.
But so far we've got blogs and a political action committee. I'd love to see credible information on this though, if there really is a scandal. So far this sounds like birth certificates and Fast and Furious, now that Issa's committee has run out of steam there had to be another scandal brought up. And before that it was Swift Boaters.
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 02 2012,9:01 am
^ so he admits to listening to Limbaugh 
Posted by irisheyes on Nov. 02 2012,9:12 am
No, nobody admitted to listening to Rush Limbaugh, that was the point. I occasionally Google quotes because posters don't always quote their sources or hyperlink, obviously some do, like usmcr and Maddog above. But I searched the quoted material and immediately my main hits are from random blogs who are using other random bloggers are sources, and Rush quotes the bloggers who quoted the guy who used to point lasers in garden spots.
And all of the bloggers and talk radio people are very emotional, but so were the people on the two minutes of hate.
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 02 2012,10:37 am
^'sure pal 
Posted by irisheyes on Nov. 02 2012,11:33 am
^Fascinating response, as always. It's almost as thought provoking as your "get a clue" posts, or nicknames like Kaptain Kreepy. Now, back to the topic. Over 3,000 die because the POTUS ignores warnings and doesn't order a military response in time. He had just "walked into office" (nine months before), and was busy reading a book to elementary school kids. Soon after the deaths he finishes reading the children's book, his approval ratings skyrocket and he wins the accolades of conservatives for "keeping us safe".
Years later another POTUS is said to have ignored warnings and doesn't order a military response in time. Three Americans die in Libya. It turns into a "gate" type of scandal and some blogs say it's the next Watergate. He "LIED, People DIED" they claim. The "SEALs" are furious, and I don't mean the elite Navy Sea, Air, and Land Teams, but obviously I'm refering to the SEAL PAC (political action committee).
Oh yeah, the three that died in the more recent story were in Benghazi, the 3,000 that died on 9/11 were in the Continental U.S. of A. We have a myriad of documents relating to the whereabouts of those terrorists as well as their receipts for every trip to Wal Mart and State Dept. Visas. In Libya? Well, even most republicans were claiming it was a youtube video and arguing over 1st Amendment rights until FOX told them otherwise.
But, forget about all the facts from above, the important talking points are: Bush "kept us safe" and "Obama LIED, People DIED!"
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 02 2012,12:04 pm
^You don't like "sure pal"?Let me dig deep into the truckdriver lingo...ummmm, I know, how about sign language,
Have a nice day Kap.
Posted by alcitizens on Nov. 02 2012,6:26 pm
CIA calls Fox News’s ‘laser’ claim: FictionTo propagate such an impression ill-serves the public, which benefits from a sane and realistic assessment of U.S. military capabilities.
< http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...og.html >
Posted by Funkadelic Zombie Hunter on Nov. 03 2012,8:41 am
(alcitizens @ Nov. 02 2012,6:26 pm)
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CIA calls Fox News’s ‘laser’ claim: Fiction
To propagate such an impression ill-serves the public, which benefits from a sane and realistic assessment of U.S. military capabilities.
< http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...og.html >
To propagate such an impression ill-serves the public, which benefits from a sane and realistic assessment of U.S. military capabilities.
< http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...og.html >
al it has to hurt to be this ignorant fortunately for you are alive and ignorant but for four other Americans they are dead because of some civilian playing politics. The president called them "bumps in the road" and what happened "not optimal" it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out we have gone from American exceptionalism to American incompetence.
Posted by Common Citizen on Nov. 03 2012,8:57 am
The CIA is a part of the deception industry. The administration has already been caught making numerous lies regarding Banghazi and you continue to defend them.
I don't know if your ignorant or just plain dumb or both.
Posted by Botto 82 on Nov. 03 2012,9:25 am
The CIA... Yeah, there's an organization devoted to our well-being... Google CIA Tim Osman sometime. Or better yet, read Michael Scheuer's book Imperial Hubris. It'll put that nonsense about them "...hating us for our freedoms" to rest, once and for all.
Posted by Funkadelic Zombie Hunter on Nov. 03 2012,10:33 am
(Botto 82 @ Nov. 03 2012,9:25 am)
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The CIA... Yeah, there's an organization devoted to our well-being...
Google CIA Tim Osman sometime. Or better yet, read Michael Scheuer's book Imperial Hubris. It'll put that nonsense about them "...hating us for our freedoms" to rest, once and for all.
Google CIA Tim Osman sometime. Or better yet, read Michael Scheuer's book Imperial Hubris. It'll put that nonsense about them "...hating us for our freedoms" to rest, once and for all.
Somebody needs to do the nations dirty work it would appear you are unwilling or unable to do so but you criticize the people who make it possible for you to live like you do, I think of it as complaining about food to a farmer either way you have that right. I am glad men and women of character have the will to do what needs to be done in hazardous conditions and get NO recognition for doing so, I sleep better knowing that good people are willing to do bad things to bad people quietly.
Just a note what has not been discussed IS what Chris Stevens WAS DOING was it related to Syria was the administration running guns again?
Posted by Liberal on Nov. 03 2012,9:13 pm
Posted by Common Citizen on Nov. 13 2012,7:21 pm
With all the talk about sex surrounding the Generals...Pres. Clinton has to be kicking himself for ever dodging the draft.
Posted by Santorini on Nov. 19 2012,10:23 am
(usmcr @ Oct. 30 2012,10:27 pm)
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general ham now retiring? it seems like this benghazi thing is starting to unravel!
checkout this site for some unnerving insight.
< http://www.democracyforums.com/showthread.php?t=73137 >
if any of this has any truth to it, it will be devastating to the current administration!
no word yet on the fate of the admiral.
another site:
< http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/admiral-gaouette >
checkout this site for some unnerving insight.
< http://www.democracyforums.com/showthread.php?t=73137 >
if any of this has any truth to it, it will be devastating to the current administration!
no word yet on the fate of the admiral.
another site:
< http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/admiral-gaouette >
Interesting read.
Just the numbers of top brass being removed, replaced, retiring (?) is curious.
Petraeus, Gen. Ham, Gaouette, Gen. Ward, Gen. John Allen
Posted by MADDOG on May 05 2013,8:02 pm
How many of the media are beginnning to pick up on news that whistleblowers will be talking?< google Benghazi >
Not many.1 hour ago < Fox News >
8 hours ago < CBS News >
< Washington Post >
< NEWS MAX >
Wow, that's it as I post. But then, I really like this guy.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 06 2013,4:19 am
Well 'Dog, when you have an attension span a short as this administration's it was a long time ago, in a country far far away...
Posted by Liberal on May 06 2013,8:05 am
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Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on May 06 2013,9:39 am
(MADDOG @ May 05 2013,8:02 pm)
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How many of the media are beginnning to pick up on news that whistleblowers will be talking?
Oh poo, whistle-blowers are all just disgruntled bitter people telling lies, or just plain-whacked-out-kooks
. An ongoing Congressional investigation across five House Committees concerning
the events surrounding the September 11, 2012, terrorist attacks on U.S. facilities in
Benghazi, Libya has made several determinations to date, including:
Reductions of security levels prior to the attacks in Benghazi were approved at the
highest levels of the State Department, up to and including Secretary Clinton. This
fact contradicts her testimony before the House Foreign Affairs Committee on
January 23, 2013.
In the days following the attacks, White House and senior State Department
officials altered accurate talking points drafted by the Intelligence Community in
order to protect the State Department.
Contrary to Administration rhetoric, the talking points were not edited to protect
classified information. Concern for classified information is never mentioned in
email traffic among senior Administration officials.
< http://www.pdfdownload.org/pdf2htm...ges=yes >
Some interesting stuff coming out of the investigation so far. A big part of the security for Benghazi was local Islamist militia men for the area. After an IED was sent over the wall of the compound last summer, a different Islamist militia group did the investigation of the "suspect Islamist security people".
State Department people keep saying budget concerns is the main reason security was so poor in Benghazi, but the last couple of years they've been spending god-only-knows how much money on making their embassies "green".
< http://www.leagueofgreenembassies.org/?page_id=393 >
This project alone, building a new embassy in Manila:
< http://manila.usembassy.gov/leedgoldaward.html >
Democrats blaming republicans, republicans blaming democrats.
Good grief, let's fire all of them.
This whole Benghazi thing is so ridiculously fishy.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on May 06 2013,9:46 am
Maybe the reason nobody made much of a fuss about the other embassy attacks is because no Americans were killed? I'm not trying to be a biitch or anything, but it sure seems like most of the media, and most American citizens in general put much more stock in American lives than the lives of citizens in other countries.
I am not in any way saying that what happened at Sandy Hook or in other incidents where children are killed violently in this country are not tragic and horrible. When those things happen here people go nuts and it's all that's talked about, but when we impose sanctions that kill innocent children and people in other countries, when we drone strike innocent children and people in other countries, most people just don't seem to care about those things much at all. Some people even have the attitude : "Well, that's what they get for living in such a dirt bag country and not doing anything to fix things."
Posted by MADDOG on May 06 2013,10:03 am
(Liberal @ May 06 2013,8:05 am)
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...
I believe there was a suicide bomber that killed a guard at the U.S. Embassy in Turkey this year as well as attacks on embassies inYemen and Egypt in 2012. Shots fired in Sarajevo in 2011. The Embassy in Kabul was attacked by Taliban in 2011 as well as Assad loyalist storming the Embassy in Syria.
I failed to find a cover up that protected a self righteous, sanctimonious narcissist who was running for re-election in those other instances though.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on May 06 2013,1:52 pm
(MADDOG @ May 06 2013,10:03 am)
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I failed to find a cover up
That too.
Posted by Liberal on May 06 2013,1:58 pm
Another conspiracy theory?
Posted by MADDOG on May 06 2013,8:09 pm
That's it?
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on May 06 2013,9:31 pm
Anyone know if the whistle-blower testimony will be aired live anywhere?
Posted by MADDOG on May 07 2013,4:54 am
< Hicks to testify live on C-spam3 >< Live video C-Span3 >
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on May 07 2013,7:04 am
Thanks MADDOG. I was afraid it would be one of their behind closed doors type things.
Posted by MADDOG on May 07 2013,8:52 am
I have to wonder just how many appointed officials of the ABØMINATION Administration are running for cover? What about Hillary?
Posted by Self-Banished on May 07 2013,10:11 am
PLANE CRASHES, THREE WHISTLBLOWERS ON BOARD.Oh wait, that hasn't happened yet,
Posted by Common Citizen on May 08 2013,2:46 pm
According to witnesses, the anti-islamic youtube video was a non-event in Libya. The Obama administration lied to the people about the cause before the election and I hope this citizen sues the administration for false accusations and infringing on his 1st ammendment rights.Obama was elected under false pretenses and should be impeached. He lied about Bengahzi, he lies about gun violence, he lies about unemployment, he lies about Obamacare. This guy thinks he is above everything and accountable to no one.
He is a disaster.
nuff said...
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on May 08 2013,3:53 pm
(Common Citizen @ May 08 2013,2:46 pm)
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According to witnesses, the anti-islamic youtube video was a non-event in Libya. The Obama administration lied to the people about the cause before the election and I hope this citizen sues the administration for false accusations and infringing on his 1st ammendment rights.
Obama was elected under false pretenses and should be impeached. He lied about Bengahzi, he lies about gun violence, he lies about unemployment, he lies about Obamacare. This guy thinks he is above everything and accountable to no one.
He is a disaster.
nuff said...
Obama was elected under false pretenses and should be impeached. He lied about Bengahzi, he lies about gun violence, he lies about unemployment, he lies about Obamacare. This guy thinks he is above everything and accountable to no one.
He is a disaster.
nuff said...
Oh good lord, you are going to get alki's and libs panties in a bunch with that post and will be met with snide snarky comments that are devoid of any fact or rebuttal to your post and will be directed toward you and your character as a US citizen.
Carry on...
Posted by alcitizens on May 08 2013,9:07 pm
Obama would take an impeachment document and make Republicans chew it before he sticks it up their a$$.. You guys will always be on defense if you don't get something done.. Doing nothing but attack the President and the future President will only make you all look weak and vulnerable.. It really is sad to watch..
Posted by MADDOG on May 08 2013,9:24 pm
future president?
Posted by Common Citizen on May 08 2013,9:27 pm
(alcitizens @ May 08 2013,9:07 pm)
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Obama would take an impeachment document and make Republicans chew it before he sticks it up their a$$..
You guys will always be on defense if you don't get something done.. Doing nothing but attack the President and the future President will only make you all look weak and vulnerable.. It really is sad to watch..
You guys will always be on defense if you don't get something done.. Doing nothing but attack the President and the future President will only make you all look weak and vulnerable.. It really is sad to watch..
I'm disappointed in your response alki. I expected more...at least a graph to support your opinion.
Posted by Glad I Left on May 08 2013,9:34 pm
(alcitizens @ May 08 2013,9:07 pm)
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Obama would take an impeachment document and make Republicans chew it before he sticks it up their a$$..
I guess that's better than if he stuck it up their a$$ then made them chew on it
Posted by grassman on May 09 2013,5:45 am
(Common Citizen @ May 08 2013,9:27 pm)
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(alcitizens @ May 08 2013,9:07 pm)
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Obama would take an impeachment document and make Republicans chew it before he sticks it up their a$$..
You guys will always be on defense if you don't get something done.. Doing nothing but attack the President and the future President will only make you all look weak and vulnerable.. It really is sad to watch..
You guys will always be on defense if you don't get something done.. Doing nothing but attack the President and the future President will only make you all look weak and vulnerable.. It really is sad to watch..
I'm disappointed in your response alki. I expected more...at least a graph to support your opinion.
...here's your graph!
Posted by Common Citizen on May 09 2013,10:38 am
Posted by MADDOG on May 09 2013,11:09 am
I turned CNN on last night for nearly two hours and never heard one word-Benghazi.I guess when Greg Gutfeld said that the mainstream media is Obama's scandal condom, he hit the nail.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 09 2013,11:32 am
(alcitizens @ May 08 2013,9:07 pm)
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Obama would take an impeachment document and make Republicans chew it before he sticks it up their a$$..
You guys will always be on defense if you don't get something done.. Doing nothing but attack the President and the future President will only make you all look weak and vulnerable.. It really is sad to watch..
You guys will always be on defense if you don't get something done.. Doing nothing but attack the President and the future President will only make you all look weak and vulnerable.. It really is sad to watch..
Sounds like some of the drunks I threw out of the bar when I was a young man.
Posted by alcitizens on May 09 2013,12:09 pm
What I wouldn't give to see the Republitards start the impeachment process.. They won't.. Nothing but blow..
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on May 09 2013,2:14 pm
(alcitizens @ May 09 2013,12:09 pm)
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What I wouldn't give to see the Republitards start the impeachment process.. They won't.. Nothing but blow..
*YAWN.
You must work for Dell tech support. Seems you are pretty good at reading from a script. As always with you, the second verse is the same as the first. Get some new material and a new flow chart.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 09 2013,3:33 pm
(alcitizens @ May 09 2013,12:09 pm)
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What I wouldn't give to see the Republitards start the impeachment process.. They won't.. Nothing but blow..
Oh hell why not? If we impeach him we go from incompetence to a real dumbazz like Biden
Posted by Liberal on May 10 2013,10:13 am
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I turned CNN on last night for nearly two hours and never heard one word-Benghazi.
What? CNN didn't cover one of Issa's witch hunts?
With all that incriminating info the whistleblower had the GOP should start the impeachment process ASAP.
How many conspiracy theories do you have to be wrong about before giving up on the whole conspiracy theory thing?
Posted by MADDOG on May 10 2013,12:13 pm
Naturally the liberal press is pretending Benghazi is either no big deal or asking why are we talking about something that happened sooo loong ago? They are trying to protect their would be queen, Hillary. I'm not the one who called her a witch, you did.
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How many conspiracy theories do you have to be wrong about before giving up on the whole conspiracy theory thing?
Thus is the question, "If a tree falls in the woods..." If the mainstream press refuses to cover it, who will hear? It's the medias way of minimizing the fact that Queen Would-Be screwed up.
Posted by MADDOG on May 10 2013,5:02 pm
There are a few things we do know for sure. This was a terrorist attack from the start. It was Al Qaida backed, therefore they are not on the run. The CIA knew it as did the State Department. The CIA and our staff in Benghazi told their superiors. Our staff in Libya asked for additional protection before the raid and were turned down by the head of State. The Libyan government knew it was an Al Qaida backed attack and told Washington. The fact that it was a terrorist attack were purposely left out of any report that the mainstream media reported. We know that the heads in the White House and State Department knew this was a terrorist attack and neither will fess up. We know from testimony of staff in Tripoli that a Special Ops team in Tripoli was ordered to not make the two hour flight to Benghazi. We do know that someone is lying and the common denominator through all these lies for the past 8 months has been the White House and staff.I am expecting the House Oversight and Government Reform committee to continue to persue this likely to the point of supoenaing Hillary Clinton. She will problably loose her cool again like the last time she dodged the answer- “With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night decided to go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it make?”
When that happens and her nerves start to unwind, she will throw someone under the bus. She's done it before. It's her nature.
Posted by Common Citizen on May 10 2013,5:46 pm
No one is providing answers as to what Obama was doing during all this. I mean, remember all the photos of the situation room when our seals took out Osama? The place was packed. The White House couldn't wait to distribute the photos. Funny, we don't have any photos of him in the situation room while one of our embassies was being over run.
Wait...it gets better. Recently a story broke about the IRS targeting conservative groups and the IRS subsequently admitted to it. Jay Carney (the official white house whore) comes out and basically blames Bush stating the head of the department was appointed by him. Can you believe this? No shame.
Posted by Liberal on May 10 2013,6:26 pm
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I mean, remember all the photos of the situation room when our seals took out Osama? The place was packed. The White House couldn't wait to distribute the photos. Funny, we don't have any photos of him in the situation room while one of our embassies was being over run.
The Bin Ladin raid was scheduled, are you really that stupid to compare a planned military raid to a terrorist attack?
Posted by alcitizens on May 10 2013,6:41 pm
I always find it ironic how so many conservatives claim to care about 4 American deaths in Benghazi, when they voted for George W. Bush twice. You remember him, right? The President responsible for over 5,000 American deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan, who had intelligence prior to 9/11 yet did nothing, who invaded a country with the threat of WMD’s (yet found zero) and while Bush was President we saw 11 embassies attacked by terrorists.
Posted by MADDOG on May 11 2013,6:43 am
(Liberal @ May 10 2013,6:26 pm)
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I mean, remember all the photos of the situation room when our seals took out Osama? The place was packed. The White House couldn't wait to distribute the photos. Funny, we don't have any photos of him in the situation room while one of our embassies was being over run.
The Bin Ladin raid was scheduled, are you really that stupid to compare a planned military raid to a terrorist attack?
Tell me military-wise, just how long does it take to scramble the King Dong from his residence in the White House to the Situation Room? How long would it have taken for the v.p. to have made it to the W.H.? Would it have taken hours to get the A.G. or the Sec of D.O.D. there? What about the National Intelligence chief or the Joint Chief of Staff? None of them could have made it within an hour or two? Pictures or videos, LMAO, don't try to pretent there aren't cameras in the room. Obviously, Sec. Rice didn't make it to the Room based on her knowledge of what happened.
Wait a minute, Rip Van Winkle fell asleep.
Posted by Common Citizen on May 11 2013,10:55 am
(Liberal @ May 10 2013,6:26 pm)
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I mean, remember all the photos of the situation room when our seals took out Osama? The place was packed. The White House couldn't wait to distribute the photos. Funny, we don't have any photos of him in the situation room while one of our embassies was being over run.
The Bin Ladin raid was scheduled, are you really that stupid to compare a planned military raid to a terrorist attack?
Are you too stupid to know that the situation room is available regardless if an operation is planned or not?
He told Panetta and Clinton to "take care of it" and then leaves for 8 hours while our embassy is over ran and 4 US citizens are murdered by terrorist.
I distinctly remember the libs criticizing Bush for reading to school kids a few extra minutes before leaving when he received word that a plane flew into the twin towers.
Posted by Expatriate on May 12 2013,9:37 am
Benghazi Gate, if you’re trying to equate Benghazi with the Watergate crimes you have a piss poor matchup.What’s actually going on here is a Hillary smear, you Republitards are scared she’ll be the first woman
President.
If you want to talk incompetence look at the last three or four Republican Presidents not to mention the
gaggle of fruitloops you’ve had as candidates, guess you should be scared!
Posted by Self-Banished on May 12 2013,9:53 am
^ yes, I would have to agree, the fact that nobody died during Watergate makes Bengazi much worse. 
Posted by Expatriate on May 12 2013,11:01 am
^^Here’s a list of the Embassies attacked while W was President, forty some folks killed, why weren’t you Republitards bitching then?Calcutta, India
Karachi, Pakistan
Denpasar, Indonesia
Islamabad, Pakistan
Tashkent, Uzbekistan
Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
Karachi, Pakistan
Damascus, Syria
Athens, Greece
Sana'a, Yemen
Istanbul,Turkey
Sana'a, Yemen
< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...ilities >
Posted by Botto 82 on May 12 2013,11:28 am
Partisan Hackery =
Posted by MADDOG on May 12 2013,1:03 pm
(Expatriate @ May 12 2013,11:01 am)
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^^Here’s a list of the Embassies attacked while W was President, forty some folks killed, why weren’t you Republitards bitching then?Calcutta, India
Karachi, Pakistan
Denpasar, Indonesia
Islamabad, Pakistan
Tashkent, Uzbekistan
Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
Karachi, Pakistan
Damascus, Syria
Athens, Greece
Sana'a, Yemen
Istanbul,Turkey
Sana'a, Yemen
< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...ilities >
Why weren't you?
Calcutta, India-Heavily-armed gunmen have attacked the US Government's information center near the American consulate killing five Indian policemen.
Karachi, Pakistan-Twelve people were killed and 51 injured, all Pakistanis.
Denpasar, Indonesia-Consular Office bombed by Jemaah Islamiyah, an Islamic terrorist organization. No fatalities.
Islamabad, Pakistan- not sure which one you are referring to? The bombing in 2012(Obama White House denies two Americans died.) or 2010 (Obama) or May 2003-two people killed, no mention on lost lives of Americans.
Tashkent, Uzbekistan-Two Uzbek security guards were killed in both bombings. The Islamic Jihad Union claimed responsibility.
Jeddah, Saudi Arabia-five confirmed dead among our locally engaged staff and one of them is a contract [security] guard," the US embassy spokeswoman Carol Kalin said. No Americans had been killed.
Posted by Marneman on May 13 2013,3:45 am
(Expatriate @ May 12 2013,11:01 am)
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^^Here’s a list of the Embassies attacked while W was President, forty some folks killed, why weren’t you Republitards bitching then?Calcutta, India
Karachi, Pakistan
Denpasar, Indonesia
Islamabad, Pakistan
Tashkent, Uzbekistan
Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
Karachi, Pakistan
Damascus, Syria
Athens, Greece
Sana'a, Yemen
Istanbul,Turkey
Sana'a, Yemen
< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...ilities >
Most of us were! The main differance between these earlier incidents and what happened at Bengazi is these other incidents were labeled terrorist attacks when they happened. Not called, or blamed on, something else first. I for one do rate this on par with "Watergate", the differance is nobody died during the break in. And just one other little fact, it wasn't the break in that cost Mr. Nixon his job, it was the coverup.
Posted by Santorini on May 13 2013,8:13 am
(alcitizens @ May 10 2013,6:41 pm)
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I always find it ironic how so many conservatives claim to care about 4 American deaths in Benghazi, when they voted for George W. Bush twice. You remember him, right? The President responsible for over 5,000 American deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan, who had intelligence prior to 9/11 yet did nothing, who invaded a country with the threat of WMD’s (yet found zero) and while Bush was President we saw 11 embassies attacked by terrorists.
Don't forget Bush did not go into Iraq without congressional support! Even Hillary voted in favor!!! Remember Hussein was the one bragging about and threatening use of WMD...
Posted by Santorini on May 13 2013,8:22 am
(Santorini @ May 13 2013,8:13 am)
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(alcitizens @ May 10 2013,6:41 pm)
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I always find it ironic how so many conservatives claim to care about 4 American deaths in Benghazi, when they voted for George W. Bush twice. You remember him, right? The President responsible for over 5,000 American deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan, who had intelligence prior to 9/11 yet did nothing, who invaded a country with the threat of WMD’s (yet found zero) and while Bush was President we saw 11 embassies attacked by terrorists.
Don't forget Bush did not go into Iraq without congressional support! Even Hillary voted in favor!!! Remember Hussein was the one bragging about and threatening use of WMD...
Yes...4 Americans were left to fend for themselves after an order for potential support was to stand down...then the powers that be lied about and continue to cover-up the incident. Any rational American citizen should be outraged that your govt heads refuse to protect our US diplomats.
Posted by Liberal on May 13 2013,8:32 am
It's funny the republitards in DC are doing this to damage Clinton but most of the kooks hate Obama so much that they blame him instead of the intended target of the smear.
Posted by Liberal on May 13 2013,11:14 am
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Former Secretary of Defense Robert Gates forcefully defended the Obama administration on Sunday against charges that it did not do enough to prevent the tragedy in Benghazi, telling CBS' "Face the Nation" that some critics of the administration have a "cartoonish impression of military capabilities and military forces."
Gates, a Republican who was appointed by then-President George W. Bush in 2006 and agreed to stay through more than two years of President Obama's first term, repeatedly declined to criticize the policymakers who devised a response to the September 2012 attack on a U.S. diplomatic facility in Benghazi, Libya, that left four Americans dead, including the U.S. Ambassador to Libya, Chris Stevens.
"Frankly, had I been in the job at the time, I think my decisions would have been just as theirs were," said Gates, now the chancellor of the College of William and Mary.
"We don't have a ready force standing by in the Middle East, and so getting somebody there in a timely way would have been very difficult, if not impossible." he explained.
Suggestions that we could have flown a fighter jet over the attackers to "scare them with the noise or something," Gates said, ignored the "number of surface to air missiles that have disappeared from [former Libyan leader] Qaddafi's arsenals."
"I would not have approved sending an aircraft, a single aircraft, over Benghazi under those circumstances," he said.
Another suggestion posed by some critics of the administration, to, as Gates said, "send some small number of special forces or other troops in without knowing what the environment is, without knowing what the threat is, without having any intelligence in terms of what is actually going on on the ground, would have been very dangerous."
"It's sort of a cartoonish impression of military capabilities and military forces," he said. "The one thing that our forces are noted for is planning and preparation before we send people in harm's way, and there just wasn't time to do that."
< http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34...ability >
Posted by Common Citizen on May 13 2013,1:24 pm
Then that begs the next question...If our gov't does not have a contingency plan to address these threats nor intelligence information of what's happening on the ground or what the risks are...then what in the hell are we even doing sending civilians to man an embassy?I'm shocked that the libs on this forum are doubling down on defending this f-up by the administration. Does it not concern you that the they changed the talking points 12 times to finally settle on blaming a US citizen who posted a youtube video then subsequently detained him?
WTF?
Posted by Liberal on May 13 2013,2:04 pm
Politicians change talking points? I'm shocked...
Posted by Santorini on May 13 2013,3:30 pm
(Liberal @ May 13 2013,2:04 pm)
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Politicians change talking points? I'm shocked...
Yea...especially loved Rices excuse she based her assertion on the intelligence she received...from whom?? The Libyan officials!!!! Cause she sure didn't pay attention to our own US officials on the ground begging for support!!!
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on May 14 2013,7:48 am
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Neither side wants to talk about the real lesson of Benghazi: interventionism always carries with it unintended consequences. The US attack on Libya led to the unleashing of Islamist radicals in Libya. These radicals have destroyed the country, murdered thousands, and killed the US ambassador. Some of these then turned their attention to Mali which required another intervention by the US and France.
Previously secure weapons in Libya flooded the region after the US attack, with many of them going to Islamist radicals who make up the majority of those fighting to overthrow the government in Syria. The US government has intervened in the Syrian conflict on behalf of the same rebels it assisted in the Libya conflict, likely helping with the weapons transfers. With word out that these rebels are mostly affiliated with al Qaeda, the US is now intervening to persuade some factions of the Syrian rebels to kill other factions before completing the task of ousting the Syrian government. It is the dizzying cycle of interventionism.
Previously secure weapons in Libya flooded the region after the US attack, with many of them going to Islamist radicals who make up the majority of those fighting to overthrow the government in Syria. The US government has intervened in the Syrian conflict on behalf of the same rebels it assisted in the Libya conflict, likely helping with the weapons transfers. With word out that these rebels are mostly affiliated with al Qaeda, the US is now intervening to persuade some factions of the Syrian rebels to kill other factions before completing the task of ousting the Syrian government. It is the dizzying cycle of interventionism.
Santorini, even the Libyan officials said the Benghazi attack was premeditated and had nothing to do with a protest about the video. Nobody knows why the heck they blamed it on the video. Doesn't even make sense that they tried keeping up that lie for so long.
Posted by MADDOG on May 14 2013,8:26 am
I can't believe I heard him tell the U. S. that four dead Americans was a sideshow. Boy, that ought to make the families of those killed feel better.
side·show [sahyd-shoh]
noun
1.
a minor show or exhibition in connection with a principal one, as at a circus.
2.
any subordinate event or matter.
Posted by alcitizens on May 14 2013,9:15 am
(Rosalind_Swenson @ May 14 2013,7:48 am)
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Santorini, even the Libyan officials said the Benghazi attack was premeditated and had nothing to do with a protest about the video. Nobody knows why the heck they blamed it on the video. Doesn't even make sense that they tried keeping up that lie for so long.
Several embassies in the middle east were all being attacked on the same day as Benghazi because of an anti-Islam video that was made in the US?
Posted by MADDOG on May 14 2013,9:30 am
(alcitizens @ May 14 2013,9:15 am)
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(Rosalind_Swenson @ May 14 2013,7:48 am)
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Santorini, even the Libyan officials said the Benghazi attack was premeditated and had nothing to do with a protest about the video. Nobody knows why the heck they blamed it on the video. Doesn't even make sense that they tried keeping up that lie for so long.
Several embassies in the middle east were all being attacked on the same day as Benghazi because of an anti-Islam video that was made in the US?
And what day was that anyway?
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on May 14 2013,10:18 am
(alcitizens @ May 14 2013,9:15 am)
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(Rosalind_Swenson @ May 14 2013,7:48 am)
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Santorini, even the Libyan officials said the Benghazi attack was premeditated and had nothing to do with a protest about the video. Nobody knows why the heck they blamed it on the video. Doesn't even make sense that they tried keeping up that lie for so long.
Several embassies in the middle east were all being attacked on the same day as Benghazi because of an anti-Islam video that was made in the US?
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The Senate report also revealed that internally, many officials early on were certain this was a terrorist attack.
The report cited “two emails from the State Department Diplomatic Security Operations Center on the day of the attack, September 11, and the day after, September 12, 2012, characterized the attack as an ‘initial terrorism incident’ and as a ‘terrorist event.’” Moreover, as early as Sept. 15, the team that had been in Benghazi reported there has been no protest; the FBI also conducted face-to-face interviews with people who were in the compound during the attack and they reported there was no protest.
So it is not new that there was no protest. That’s been officially well established. It is also not new that many officials knew it was a terrorist attack.
What is new is that Hicks has put a human face on previous reporting. He also disclosed he spoke directly to Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton the night of the attack, presumably relaying his conclusions.
The hearings also revealed an e-mail written by Elizabeth Jones, the acting assistant secretary for Near Eastern Affairs, in which she recounted a conversation with the Libyan ambassador on Sept. 12: “When he said his government suspected that former Gadhafi regime elements carried out the attacks, I told him that the group that conducted the attacks Ansar Al Sharia is affiliated with Islamic extremists.”
The report cited “two emails from the State Department Diplomatic Security Operations Center on the day of the attack, September 11, and the day after, September 12, 2012, characterized the attack as an ‘initial terrorism incident’ and as a ‘terrorist event.’” Moreover, as early as Sept. 15, the team that had been in Benghazi reported there has been no protest; the FBI also conducted face-to-face interviews with people who were in the compound during the attack and they reported there was no protest.
So it is not new that there was no protest. That’s been officially well established. It is also not new that many officials knew it was a terrorist attack.
What is new is that Hicks has put a human face on previous reporting. He also disclosed he spoke directly to Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton the night of the attack, presumably relaying his conclusions.
The hearings also revealed an e-mail written by Elizabeth Jones, the acting assistant secretary for Near Eastern Affairs, in which she recounted a conversation with the Libyan ambassador on Sept. 12: “When he said his government suspected that former Gadhafi regime elements carried out the attacks, I told him that the group that conducted the attacks Ansar Al Sharia is affiliated with Islamic extremists.”
< http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...og.html >
The whistle blower Hicks has also been demoted since he started speaking out about Benghazi.
Posted by Santorini on May 14 2013,3:29 pm
(Liberal @ May 13 2013,8:32 am)
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It's funny the republitards in DC are doing this to damage Clinton but most of the kooks hate Obama so much that they blame him instead of the intended target of the smear.
Yea, that's it ! "They" just want to smear Clinton and hate Obama. Now that's a simple summary...if you're simple-minded!!!
Posted by grassman on May 14 2013,10:05 pm
I am just laughing my ass off at all of you know it alls. Don't you get it? Nothing matters anymore as far as WE are considered. It does not matter which party gets caught doing this or doing that, we just don't matter anymore. It is all about them. They RULE.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 14 2013,11:38 pm
^ he's finally getting it, yes sir!
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on May 15 2013,7:48 am
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I am just laughing my ass off at all of you know it alls. Don't you get it? Nothing matters anymore as far as WE are considered. It does not matter which party gets caught doing this or doing that, we just don't matter anymore. It is all about them. They RULE.
Things are only going to get worse if we just keep letting things go. We're too complacent, it's freaking annoying. It's been happening incrementally for years. It's like the "boiling frog" analogy.
I'm not saying there's some big boogey-man setting things up behind the scenes, but things definitely ARE getting worse, and they are NOT going to stop getting worse. Now the IRS has been caught harassing constitution-style groups, and the DOJ seized the Associated Press' phone records. - They must think that since us sheep didn't bleat too much over the government snooping on our phone calls/emails, it must be ok to start snooping on the major news networks.- Not that they inform us of most things we need to know anyway.
Things aren't going to magically get better. I hate to think what it will be like for our kids and grandkids.
Just sayin.
Posted by Botto 82 on May 15 2013,8:32 am
"We are currently wealthy, fat, comfortable and complacent. We have currently a built-in allergy to unpleasant or disturbing information. Our mass media reflect this. But unless we get up off our fat surpluses and recognize that television in the main is being used to distract, delude, amuse and insulate us, then television and those who finance it, those who look at it and those who work at it, may see a totally different picture too late."- Edward R. Murrow, October 15, 1958
Posted by Botto 82 on May 15 2013,8:42 am
(Rosalind_Swenson @ May 15 2013,7:48 am)
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Things aren't going to magically get better.
I imagine most folks think they will get better, like all this is just part of some pendulum-swing socio-economic theory. I seriously doubt anything gets better for the average American until we stop making the art of Doing the Wrong Thing in Washington so damn profitable. Or maybe JFK and Paul Wellstone stand out in their minds just enough to remind them what happens to those who rock the proverbial boat. If that's the case, and corporations retain the status of "people," well then God help us all...
Posted by alcitizens on May 18 2013,4:41 am
CBS News reported Thursday that leaked versions of emails sent out by Republicans last Friday had visible differences than Wednesday's official batch from the White House..Why are Republicans so crooked?
Posted by Self-Banished on May 18 2013,6:15 am
^ why are you so gullible???
Posted by Glad I Left on May 18 2013,9:41 am
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Or maybe JFK and Paul Wellstone stand out in their minds just enough to remind them what happens to those who rock the proverbial boat.
Are you insinuating that Wellstone was assassinated?
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on May 18 2013,9:47 am
(Glad I Left @ May 18 2013,9:41 am)
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Or maybe JFK and Paul Wellstone stand out in their minds just enough to remind them what happens to those who rock the proverbial boat.
Are you insinuating that Wellstone was assassinated?
I find it BS to even put that POS wellstone in the same category as JFK. The death of wellstone benefited America greatly.
Posted by MADDOG on May 18 2013,10:29 am
So now Minnesota has his Welstone's protege.
Posted by Banacek on May 18 2013,1:37 pm
9/11, torture, Gitmo, torture, WMD, torture, Valerie Plame, torture, yellow cake uranium, torture, Scooter Libby, torture, Iraq, torture, rendition, torture, warrantless wiretapping, torture . . . .
Posted by Common Citizen on May 18 2013,2:01 pm
(Banacek @ May 18 2013,1:37 pm)
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9/11, torture, Gitmo, torture, WMD, torture, Valerie Plame, torture, yellow cake uranium, torture, Scooter Libby, torture, Iraq, torture, rendition, torture, warrantless wiretapping, torture . . . .
What about torture? If you're referring to water boarding an enemy combatant, got a problem with that? Because I don't. Especially if it means saving American lives.
You're what's wrong with this country.
There. I said it.
Posted by irisheyes on May 19 2013,9:25 pm
(Common Citizen @ May 18 2013,2:01 pm)
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What about torture? If you're referring to water boarding an enemy combatant, got a problem with that? Because I don't. Especially if it means saving American lives.
You're what's wrong with this country.
There. I said it.
You're what's wrong with this country.
There. I said it.
What happens when a government decides you're the enemy combatant?
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They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Posted by Common Citizen on May 19 2013,10:20 pm
Gee. I don't know. What? I'm sure you're dying to tell us.Set my body on fire and drag me through their streets? Tell us...what.
Posted by Santorini on May 20 2013,4:26 pm
The degree of corruption demonstrated by this administration is second to none. You'd have to live under a rock not to notice.
Posted by MADDOG on May 20 2013,5:20 pm
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The degree of corruption demonstrated by this administration is second to none. You'd have to live under a rock not to notice.
< Anyone you know? >
Posted by Santorini on May 21 2013,6:03 am
(Rosalind_Swenson @ May 15 2013,7:48 am)
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(grassman @ May 14 2013,10:05 pm)
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I am just laughing my ass off at all of you know it alls. Don't you get it? Nothing matters anymore as far as WE are considered. It does not matter which party gets caught doing this or doing that, we just don't matter anymore. It is all about them. They RULE.
Things are only going to get worse if we just keep letting things go. We're too complacent, it's freaking annoying. It's been happening incrementally for years. It's like the "boiling frog" analogy.
I'm not saying there's some big boogey-man setting things up behind the scenes, but things definitely ARE getting worse, and they are NOT going to stop getting worse. Now the IRS has been caught harassing constitution-style groups, and the DOJ seized the Associated Press' phone records. - They must think that since us sheep didn't bleat too much over the government snooping on our phone calls/emails, it must be ok to start snooping on the major news networks.- Not that they inform us of most things we need to know anyway.
Things aren't going to magically get better. I hate to think what it will be like for our kids and grandkids.
Just sayin.
the AP the IRS leaks purposely orchestrated by this administration. Just check into Lois lurner, IRS.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on May 23 2013,1:55 pm
(Santorini @ May 21 2013,6:03 am)
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the AP the IRS leaks purposely orchestrated by this administration. Just check into Lois lurner, IRS.
Sorry, I know this is quite a long post. I apologize, I'm in a hurry.
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The head of the Internal Revenue Service’s tax-exempt organizations office, faced with allegations of improper targeting of conservative groups, told a House committee Wednesday that she has done nothing wrong but declined to answer questions, invoking her Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination.
< http://www.washingtonpost.com/politic...ry.html >
The Internal Revenue Service, apparently determined to get out ahead of an inspector general report critical of its handling of tax exemptions for Tea Party groups, came up with a plan: Lois Lerner, the official responsible for the tax-exempt division, would publicly apologize in response to a question at the American Bar Association conference in Washington.
Details of the now-infamous planted question emerged Friday after acting IRS commissioner Steven Miller admitted the gambit under questioning from members of the House Ways and Means Committee.
< http://www.usatoday.com/story...2216747 >
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About Benghazi:
According to Hicks, Clinton personally sent Stevens to Benghazi to open a permanent consulate by the end of the year. If true, this suggests Clinton is guilty of at the very least willful ignorance of the circumstances into which she sent Stevens. It also changes the moral obligation, if not the technical responsibility, to ensure appropriate security for what at that point was a largely CIA compound. It also calls into question whether the ARB was investigating or shifting blame for the fiasco, as The Hill reports:
According to Stevens, Secretary Clinton wanted Benghazi converted into a permanent constituent post,” Hicks testified.
“Timing for this decision [to visit the region on Sept. 11] was important. Chris needed to report before Sept. 30, the end of the fiscal year, on the … political and security environment in Benghazi.”
He said Pickering appeared “surprised.”
“I did tell the Accountability Review Board that Secretary Clinton wanted the post made permanent,” Hicks testified.
“Ambassador Pickering looked surprised. He looked both ways … to the members of the board, saying, ‘Does the seventh floor [the secretary of State’s office] know about this?’ ”
The ARB appears to have ignored Hicks’s statement in its public report. Instead, the board appeared to place responsibility on Stevens.
“The Ambassador chose to travel to Benghazi that week, independent of Washington, as per standard practice,” the ARB concluded in its three pages of findings.
< http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...hifting >
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The Red Cross and Britian had pulled out of Benghazi because of security concerns, it's ridiculous that we had anyone there, and it's even more ridiculous that the main security was local Benghazi people. It doesn't make sense that we only sent two reinforcement people to help after the attack started. There wasn't even an attempt to send more help.
Worse than the AP thing is what the government is doing to James Rosen, this is kinda long, and I know this post is already long, so I apologize, but what is happening is BS, and should not be happening in America. Like I said before, things are not going to magically get better.
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Using italics for emphasis, Reyes explained how Rosen allegedly used a “covert communications plan” and quoted from an e-mail exchange between Rosen and Kim that seems to describe a secret system for passing along information.
In the exchange, Rosen used the alias “Leo” to address Kim and called himself “Alex,” an apparent reference to Alexander Butterfield, the man best known for running the secret recording system in the Nixon White House, according to the affidavit.
Rosen instructed Kim to send him coded signals on his Google account, according to a quote from his e-mail in the affidavit: “One asterisk means to contact them, or that previously suggested plans for communication are to proceed as agreed; two asterisks means the opposite.”
< http://www.washingtonpost.com/local..._1.html >
For cryingoutloud, why on earth would these two email each other this type of information? Fishy. Weird.
The focus of the Post's report yesterday is that the DOJ's surveillance of Rosen, the reporter, extended far beyond even what they did to AP reporters. The FBI tracked Rosen's movements in and out of the State Department, traced the timing of his calls, and - most amazingly - obtained a search warrant to read two days worth of his emails, as well as all of his emails with Kim. In this case, said the Post, "investigators did more than obtain telephone records of a working journalist suspected of receiving the secret material." It added that "court documents in the Kim case reveal how deeply investigators explored the private communications of a working journalist".
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Goodale, the New York Times' former general counsel, was interviewed by Democracy Now last week and said this:
AMY GOODMAN: "You say that President Obama is worse than President Nixon.
JAMES GOODALE: "Well, more precisely, I say that if in fact he goes ahead and prosecutes Julian Assange, he will pass Nixon. He's close to Nixon now. The AP example is a good example of something that Obama has done but Nixon never did. So I have him presently in second place, behind Nixon and ahead of Bush II. And he's moving up fast. . . .
"Obama has classified, I think, seven million — in one year, classified seven million documents. Everything is classified. So that would give the government the ability to control all its information on the theory that it's classified. And if anybody asks for it and gets it, they're complicit, and they're going to go to jail. So that criminalizes the process, and it means that the dissemination of information, which is inevitable, out of the classified sources of that information will be stopped.
< http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment...inality >
Posted by MADDOG on May 23 2013,2:08 pm
What if Obama supplied arms to militants who opposed Gaddafi? What if Obama had been trying to buy them back? This ain't over yet.
What if Ambassador Stevens was killed by weapons sold under the authority of Clinton? Now those same weapons may be heading for Syria. What if a gunrunning operation in Libya was the brainchild of Hillary?
Why would Stevens be sent to Benghazi with the danger level being that high? What if Special Ops was told to stand down because of a delicate situation of a hopeful buyback program?
This isn't likely over.
If O'bambam is continually backed into a corner, sooner or later he is going to lash out like a wild caged animal.
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on May 23 2013,3:16 pm
(MADDOG @ May 23 2013,2:08 pm)
QUOTE
What if Obama supplied arms to militants who opposed Gaddafi? What if Obama had been trying to buy them back?
This ain't over yet.
What if Ambassador Stevens was killed by weapons sold under the authority of Clinton? Now those same weapons may be heading for Syria. What if a gunrunning operation in Libya was the brainchild of Hillary?
Why would Stevens be sent to Benghazi with the danger level being that high? What if Special Ops was told to stand down because of a delicate situation of a hopeful buyback program?
This isn't likely over.
If O'bambam is continually backed into a corner, sooner or later he is going to lash out like a wild caged animal.
This ain't over yet.
What if Ambassador Stevens was killed by weapons sold under the authority of Clinton? Now those same weapons may be heading for Syria. What if a gunrunning operation in Libya was the brainchild of Hillary?
Why would Stevens be sent to Benghazi with the danger level being that high? What if Special Ops was told to stand down because of a delicate situation of a hopeful buyback program?
This isn't likely over.
If O'bambam is continually backed into a corner, sooner or later he is going to lash out like a wild caged animal.
Maddog.
Funny would point to a gun running op in Bengazi. There have been little govt birds chirping about the very same thing you are alluding to.
ombama lash out like a caged animal? Whats he going to do, bow everybody to death? The man is a wuss and weak.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 23 2013,9:00 pm
I to agree with MD, none of this, all three debacles are going to be over for a long, long time.
Posted by grassman on May 23 2013,9:43 pm
One thing everyone should think about. We were the ruler of the Earth. We have been sold out by the free enterprise weapon builders. Greed took over patriotism. Our many enemies now have a whole lot of the knowledge that we have. Guess what. We have been pissing a whole lot of different countries off. What happens when you go into a bar all by yourself and kick someone in the nuts that has thirty friends. Try to make a few yourself?
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on May 23 2013,10:36 pm
MADDOG, like the buyback program we tried using to get the weapons Reagan supplied to the extremists way back when? Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Grinning Dragon, he entered Pakistan without it's consent or knowledge to kill Bin Laden. He's going after more whistle-blowers than all other presidents combined. He has the power to lock up American citizens and stripping them of their rights with no explanation needed, has already killed 4 American citizens in drone strikes, no explanation, no trial, without showing proof of guilt and wrote an EO granting himself the power to control pretty much everything whenever he sees fit.- He's not bowing to anyone, he doesn't appear to be a wuss, and he's only making himself and every future president more powerful.- As the last few presidents have been doing.
SB, bigger debacles have been forgotten.
Iran Contra
Illegal invasion of Iraq
And barely mentioned debacles
Supplying Hussein with chemical/biological weapons, leading back to Reagan years.
Supplying extremists with weapons, training and financing them, leading back to Reagan.
Intentionally killing hundreds of thousands, most likely over a million innocent people. - Why? Because the leader had/used chemical biological weapons? The stuff we knew he had because we helped him get them, the stuff we let him use while he was useful to us? Or was it because he was in league with the extremists we helped fund, train and arm? It all gets a little foggy.
Grassman:
QUOTE
We have been pissing a whole lot of different countries off.
You ain't akiddin.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on May 24 2013,12:03 am
I freakin LOVE alternative news. This guy: David Rhodes was named President of CBS News in February 2011.
< http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18564_162-7329695/david-rhodes/ >
And this guy: Ben Rhodes
Deputy National Security Advisor for Strategic Communications and Speechwriting
< http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/author/Ben%20Rhodes >
Are brothers:
< http://news.rice.edu/2011...bs-news >
This woman: CBS News investigative correspondent Sharyl Attkisson, who has been out in front on the developing story about Benghazi and the administration's response, says she's "still learning new things" about the tragedy and the government's reaction.
< http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50146665n >
Is saying this:
"There's been an issue in my home and an issue with my computers,"
< http://www.businessinsider.com/sharyl-...-2013-5 >
And then there's this:
The second Goliath is CBS News, which has grown increasingly frustrated with Attkisson's Benghazi campaign. CBS News executives see Attkisson wading dangerously close to advocacy on the issue, network sources have told POLITICO. Attkisson can't get some of her stories on the air, and is thus left feeling marginalized and underutilized. That, in part, is why Attkisson is in talks to leave CBS ahead of contract, as POLITICO reported in April.
< http://www.politico.com/blogs...96.html >
Posted by Liberal on May 24 2013,12:44 am
Brothers? Well that's some big news there, sort of like your conspiracy theory where GM was going to make a killing in Minnesota with their advanced daytime running lights technology because the CEO of GM was from Mankato and so was the (Mankato)state rep that proposed it.How'd that conspiracy theory turn out for you?
QUOTE
Voters trust Clinton over GOP on Benghazi
PPP's newest national poll finds that Republicans aren't getting much traction with their focus on Benghazi over the last week. Voters trust Hillary Clinton over Congressional Republicans on the issue of Benghazi by a 49/39 margin and Clinton's +8 net favorability rating at 52/44 is identical to what it was on our last national poll in late March. Meanwhile Congressional Republicans remain very unpopular with a 36/57 favorability rating.
Voters think Congress should be more focused on other major issues right now rather than Benghazi. By a 56/38 margin they say passing a comprehensive immigration reform bill is more important than continuing to focus on Benghazi, and by a 52/43 spread they think passing a bill requiring background checks for all gun sales should be a higher priority.
While voters overall may think Congress' focus should be elsewhere there's no doubt about how mad Republicans are about Benghazi. 41% say they consider this to be the biggest political scandal in American history to only 43% who disagree with that sentiment. Only 10% of Democrats and 20% of independents share that feeling. Republicans think by a 74/19 margin than Benghazi is a worse political scandal than Watergate, by a 74/12 margin that it's worse than Teapot Dome, and by a 70/20 margin that it's worse than Iran Contra.
One interesting thing about the voters who think Benghazi is the biggest political scandal in American history is that 39% of them don't actually know where it is. 10% think it's in Egypt, 9% in Iran, 6% in Cuba, 5% in Syria, 4% in Iraq, and 1% each in North Korea and Liberia with 4% not willing to venture a guess.
At any rate what we're finding about last week's Benghazi focus so far is that Republicans couldn't be much madder about it, voters overall think Congress should be focused on other key issues, and Hillary Clinton's poll numbers aren't declining on account of it.
< http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main...zi.html >
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on May 24 2013,1:47 am
(Liberal @ May 24 2013,12:44 am)
QUOTE
Brothers? Well that's some big news there,
Voters trust Clinton over GOP on Benghazi
PPP's newest national poll finds that Republicans aren't getting much traction with their focus on Benghazi over the last week. Voters trust Hillary Clinton over Congressional Republicans on the issue of Benghazi by a 49/39 margin and Clinton's +8 net favorability rating at 52/44 is identical to what it was on our last national poll in late March. Meanwhile Congressional Republicans remain very unpopular with a 36/57 favorability rating.
Voters think Congress should be more focused on other major issues right now rather than Benghazi. By a 56/38 margin they say passing a comprehensive immigration reform bill is more important than continuing to focus on Benghazi, and by a 52/43 spread they think passing a bill requiring background checks for all gun sales should be a higher priority.
While voters overall may think Congress' focus should be elsewhere there's no doubt about how mad Republicans are about Benghazi. 41% say they consider this to be the biggest political scandal in American history to only 43% who disagree with that sentiment. Only 10% of Democrats and 20% of independents share that feeling. Republicans think by a 74/19 margin than Benghazi is a worse political scandal than Watergate, by a 74/12 margin that it's worse than Teapot Dome, and by a 70/20 margin that it's worse than Iran Contra.
One interesting thing about the voters who think Benghazi is the biggest political scandal in American history is that 39% of them don't actually know where it is. 10% think it's in Egypt, 9% in Iran, 6% in Cuba, 5% in Syria, 4% in Iraq, and 1% each in North Korea and Liberia with 4% not willing to venture a guess.
At any rate what we're finding about last week's Benghazi focus so far is that Republicans couldn't be much madder about it, voters overall think Congress should be focused on other key issues, and Hillary Clinton's poll numbers aren't declining on account of it.
< http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main...zi.html >
QUOTE
Voters trust Clinton over GOP on Benghazi
PPP's newest national poll finds that Republicans aren't getting much traction with their focus on Benghazi over the last week. Voters trust Hillary Clinton over Congressional Republicans on the issue of Benghazi by a 49/39 margin and Clinton's +8 net favorability rating at 52/44 is identical to what it was on our last national poll in late March. Meanwhile Congressional Republicans remain very unpopular with a 36/57 favorability rating.
Voters think Congress should be more focused on other major issues right now rather than Benghazi. By a 56/38 margin they say passing a comprehensive immigration reform bill is more important than continuing to focus on Benghazi, and by a 52/43 spread they think passing a bill requiring background checks for all gun sales should be a higher priority.
While voters overall may think Congress' focus should be elsewhere there's no doubt about how mad Republicans are about Benghazi. 41% say they consider this to be the biggest political scandal in American history to only 43% who disagree with that sentiment. Only 10% of Democrats and 20% of independents share that feeling. Republicans think by a 74/19 margin than Benghazi is a worse political scandal than Watergate, by a 74/12 margin that it's worse than Teapot Dome, and by a 70/20 margin that it's worse than Iran Contra.
One interesting thing about the voters who think Benghazi is the biggest political scandal in American history is that 39% of them don't actually know where it is. 10% think it's in Egypt, 9% in Iran, 6% in Cuba, 5% in Syria, 4% in Iraq, and 1% each in North Korea and Liberia with 4% not willing to venture a guess.
At any rate what we're finding about last week's Benghazi focus so far is that Republicans couldn't be much madder about it, voters overall think Congress should be focused on other key issues, and Hillary Clinton's poll numbers aren't declining on account of it.
< http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main...zi.html >
ABC president ben Sherwood and Obama Special Adviser Elizabeth Sherwood are brother and sister.
Jay Carney is married to Claire Shipman who works for ABC. Previously worked for NBC, before that she worked for CNN.
Tom Nides, a Deputy Secretary of State for Obama, married to CNN bureau Chief, previous editor at ABC news Virginia Moseley.
Yeah, I think it's a problem having so many big administration people involved with so many big media people.
The Daytime Running Lights, yeah I was just bored and having a bit of fun with that one actually. But feel free to keep bringing that up and ignoring anything of importance.- You're good at that.
I like how you highlighted part of your Poll article. Did you check into the polling results for yourself? Funny funny stuff.- But you probably won't find the humor in it.
Page 4:
53% of people who voted for Obama knew Benghazi is in Libya.
64% of people who voted for Romney knew Benghazi is in Libya.
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55% of "Very Liberal" knew Benghazi is in Libya.
43% of "Somewhat Liberal" knew Benghazi is in Libya.
55% of "Moderate" knew Benghazi is in Libya.
67% of "Somewhat Conservative" knew Benghazi is in Libya
74% of "Very Conservative" knew Benghazi is in Libya.
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49% "Democrats" knew Benghazi is in Libya.
60% "Republicans" knew Benghazi is in Libya.
68% "Independent/Other" knew Benghazi is in Libya.
< http://www.pdfdownload.org/pdf2htm...ges=yes >
Most of us already realize you don't care if the government is corrupt, full of crap, and if they lie to us. Some of us do care however, and some of us are sick of the BS.
Posted by MADDOG on May 24 2013,9:19 pm
(Grinning_Dragon @ May 23 2013,3:16 pm)
QUOTE
(MADDOG @ May 23 2013,2:08 pm)
QUOTE
What if Obama supplied arms to militants who opposed Gaddafi? What if Obama had been trying to buy them back?
This ain't over yet.
What if Ambassador Stevens was killed by weapons sold under the authority of Clinton? Now those same weapons may be heading for Syria. What if a gunrunning operation in Libya was the brainchild of Hillary?
Why would Stevens be sent to Benghazi with the danger level being that high? What if Special Ops was told to stand down because of a delicate situation of a hopeful buyback program?
This isn't likely over.
If O'bambam is continually backed into a corner, sooner or later he is going to lash out like a wild caged animal.
This ain't over yet.
What if Ambassador Stevens was killed by weapons sold under the authority of Clinton? Now those same weapons may be heading for Syria. What if a gunrunning operation in Libya was the brainchild of Hillary?
Why would Stevens be sent to Benghazi with the danger level being that high? What if Special Ops was told to stand down because of a delicate situation of a hopeful buyback program?
This isn't likely over.
If O'bambam is continually backed into a corner, sooner or later he is going to lash out like a wild caged animal.
Maddog.
Funny would point to a gun running op in Bengazi. There have been little govt birds chirping about the very same thing you are alluding to.
ombama lash out like a caged animal? Whats he going to do, bow everybody to death? The man is a wuss and weak.Old news, but interesting perspective from a different point leads the State Department's involvement right to a coverup.
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Recall how officials briefed on intelligence told the Wall Street Journal: “The U.S. effort in Benghazi was at its heart a CIA operation,” and the State Department presence in Benghazi “provided diplomatic cover” to conceal weapon transfers from Libya to Syria.
In addition, as Aaron Klein of kleinonline.com reported, “The U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya, actually served as a meeting place to coordinate aid for the rebel-led insurgencies in the Middle East, according to Middle Eastern security officials ... Among the tasks performed inside the building was collaborating with Arab countries on the recruitment of fighters—including jihadists—to target Bashar al-Assad’s regime in Syria.” The so-called Benghazi mission or consulate as the Obama-Clinton regime described it to be was in reality a CIA outpost.
< The Canada Free Press > reports of FOIA requests denied by the Obambina Family's secret police. It's time for Petraeus to step up and blow his whistle before he getswhacked struck by a bus crossing the street or a < Vincent Foster event. >
In addition, as Aaron Klein of kleinonline.com reported, “The U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya, actually served as a meeting place to coordinate aid for the rebel-led insurgencies in the Middle East, according to Middle Eastern security officials ... Among the tasks performed inside the building was collaborating with Arab countries on the recruitment of fighters—including jihadists—to target Bashar al-Assad’s regime in Syria.” The so-called Benghazi mission or consulate as the Obama-Clinton regime described it to be was in reality a CIA outpost.
< The Canada Free Press > reports of FOIA requests denied by the Obambina Family's secret police. It's time for Petraeus to step up and blow his whistle before he gets
Fast forward to the State Department's denial of a weapons < buy back program. >
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back in Obama’s America, don’t call Libya’s weapon recovery program “buyback” that then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton funded using $40 million of your tax dollars after the Obama—Clinton regime toppled Col. Muammar Gaddafi because if you do, the State Department will deny it exists. You can however refer to it as the MANPAD program—Man-Portable-Air-Defense Systems or shoulder-fired-anti-aircraft missiles that the U.S. is “helping” Libya to recover and secure among its weapon stockpiles.
Yes, we have entered the smoke and mirror stage of the absurd by playing word games with the State Department now.
Why is getting the status and inventory of Libya’s weapons recovery program so critical? Because arms from Libya have shown up in Syria. As the Wall Street Journal reported: “The U.S. effort in Benghazi was at its heart a CIA operation,” and the State Department presence in Benghazi “provided diplomatic cover” to conceal weapon transfers from Libya to Syria.
Hmm, smoke and mirrors. carefully not answering direct questions.Yes, we have entered the smoke and mirror stage of the absurd by playing word games with the State Department now.
Why is getting the status and inventory of Libya’s weapons recovery program so critical? Because arms from Libya have shown up in Syria. As the Wall Street Journal reported: “The U.S. effort in Benghazi was at its heart a CIA operation,” and the State Department presence in Benghazi “provided diplomatic cover” to conceal weapon transfers from Libya to Syria.
Here's a possiblilty. If the press actually continues to pursue these issues with questions directed to Bambino during press conferences. More evidence is uncovered. Congress investigates further. More pressure is inflicted. Sooner or later those primitive instincts will kick in and he'll lash out like a wild animal. Pressured, he will throw this back at the State Department to protect himself.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on May 27 2013,2:12 am
It's the exact same thing as what happened in the Iran Contra hearings. It's the exact same as what happened with every hearing having to do with 9-11. Everyone in the administrations says "I don't know", "I don't recall", congress huffs and puffs, does some yelling, the administration people squirm, and the only thing that actually happens is some lower-level people take the blame.Congress throws their hands in the air and says "Not sufficient, but FINE" washes their hands and it's done. Some of We the People complain for awhile until the rest of We the People get tired of hearing about it and they tell us "Shut up you conspiracy kook, it's over with. It was a long time ago. What does any of this matter anymore."
The next candidates point out some of the current administration flaws, and use them in their campaigns, and talk about how they'll "fix" everything.
I remember a candidate talking about getting out of Iraq, Afghanistan, getting out of countries we have no business being in. He talked about closing Guantanamo, because what Guantanamo stands for and the things going on there aren't very "American". Did he do those things? Goodgod, most of the people locked up in Gitmo didn't even do anything wrong, and that has been proven. - The government just isn't letting them out.- Mainly they are afraid they've created more terrorists. Some of these people have been locked up for 11 years for godsakes. Away from their families. Locked up and forgotten. Absolutely no trial.
That's how it goes in this country. No matter what party, no matter what the scandal. No matter what sorts of atrocities they commit.
Posted by irisheyes on May 28 2013,4:02 am
CC:QUOTE
What about torture? If you're referring to water boarding an enemy combatant, got a problem with that? Because I don't. Especially if it means saving American lives.
QUOTE
Gee. I don't know. What? I'm sure you're dying to tell us.
Set my body on fire and drag me through their streets? Tell us...what.
Set my body on fire and drag me through their streets? Tell us...what.
The point is if it's okay to violate the Geneva Convention for a foreigner, is it okay to do it to people like you and me. I don't think so.
You said it would save lives, if it would save lives to give away your rights are you willing to? Basic human rights are supposed to be for everyone, and you'll notice we haven't tortured a lot of terrorists who share our skin complexion or religion.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on May 28 2013,7:47 am
There were a lot of military people and historians telling Bush and others how torture does not work. Torture is best for eliciting false testimony. People will say anything to make the torture stop. Whistle blowing translator Sibel Edmonds tried telling people that other translators were even giving false translations during "interrogations". She talked to the 911 Commission but they were not allowed to use, follow up on, or publish what she told them. The 911 Commission did however request the "interrogation" tapes from the CIA. The CIA destroyed the tapes so the commission never even got to see them. Other whistle-blowers have come out and said that the interrogations were only interested in finding links between Iraq and al-qaeda, and when they weren't getting anything they started using harsher methods.
We just have to take the CIA's word for the information they got out of people, since the tapes are gone.
As for the Geneva Convention, it seems the US government doesn't think it applies to them.
Posted by Santorini on May 29 2013,7:53 pm
(Liberal @ May 24 2013,12:44 am)
QUOTE
Brothers? Well that's some big news there, sort of like your conspiracy theory where GM was going to make a killing in Minnesota with their advanced daytime running lights technology because the CEO of GM was from Mankato and so was the (Mankato)state rep that proposed it.
How'd that conspiracy theory turn out for you?
Voters trust Clinton over GOP on Benghazi
PPP's newest national poll finds that Republicans aren't getting much traction with their focus on Benghazi over the last week. Voters trust Hillary Clinton over Congressional Republicans on the issue of Benghazi by a 49/39 margin and Clinton's +8 net favorability rating at 52/44 is identical to what it was on our last national poll in late March. Meanwhile Congressional Republicans remain very unpopular with a 36/57 favorability rating.
Voters think Congress should be more focused on other major issues right now rather than Benghazi. By a 56/38 margin they say passing a comprehensive immigration reform bill is more important than continuing to focus on Benghazi, and by a 52/43 spread they think passing a bill requiring background checks for all gun sales should be a higher priority.
While voters overall may think Congress' focus should be elsewhere there's no doubt about how mad Republicans are about Benghazi. 41% say they consider this to be the biggest political scandal in American history to only 43% who disagree with that sentiment. Only 10% of Democrats and 20% of independents share that feeling. Republicans think by a 74/19 margin than Benghazi is a worse political scandal than Watergate, by a 74/12 margin that it's worse than Teapot Dome, and by a 70/20 margin that it's worse than Iran Contra.
One interesting thing about the voters who think Benghazi is the biggest political scandal in American history is that 39% of them don't actually know where it is. 10% think it's in Egypt, 9% in Iran, 6% in Cuba, 5% in Syria, 4% in Iraq, and 1% each in North Korea and Liberia with 4% not willing to venture a guess.
At any rate what we're finding about last week's Benghazi focus so far is that Republicans couldn't be much madder about it, voters overall think Congress should be focused on other key issues, and Hillary Clinton's poll numbers aren't declining on account of it.
< http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main...zi.html >
How'd that conspiracy theory turn out for you?
QUOTE
Voters trust Clinton over GOP on Benghazi
PPP's newest national poll finds that Republicans aren't getting much traction with their focus on Benghazi over the last week. Voters trust Hillary Clinton over Congressional Republicans on the issue of Benghazi by a 49/39 margin and Clinton's +8 net favorability rating at 52/44 is identical to what it was on our last national poll in late March. Meanwhile Congressional Republicans remain very unpopular with a 36/57 favorability rating.
Voters think Congress should be more focused on other major issues right now rather than Benghazi. By a 56/38 margin they say passing a comprehensive immigration reform bill is more important than continuing to focus on Benghazi, and by a 52/43 spread they think passing a bill requiring background checks for all gun sales should be a higher priority.
While voters overall may think Congress' focus should be elsewhere there's no doubt about how mad Republicans are about Benghazi. 41% say they consider this to be the biggest political scandal in American history to only 43% who disagree with that sentiment. Only 10% of Democrats and 20% of independents share that feeling. Republicans think by a 74/19 margin than Benghazi is a worse political scandal than Watergate, by a 74/12 margin that it's worse than Teapot Dome, and by a 70/20 margin that it's worse than Iran Contra.
One interesting thing about the voters who think Benghazi is the biggest political scandal in American history is that 39% of them don't actually know where it is. 10% think it's in Egypt, 9% in Iran, 6% in Cuba, 5% in Syria, 4% in Iraq, and 1% each in North Korea and Liberia with 4% not willing to venture a guess.
At any rate what we're finding about last week's Benghazi focus so far is that Republicans couldn't be much madder about it, voters overall think Congress should be focused on other key issues, and Hillary Clinton's poll numbers aren't declining on account of it.
< http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main...zi.html >
You realize you're quoting a democratic pollster...right! Where the CEO is a regular Democratic party Doner! Its all about the questions...how they are asked...who is asked...then ya get your " intended "...result !! you base a lot of your arguments on polls don't ya.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on May 29 2013,8:38 pm
(Santorini @ May 29 2013,7:53 pm)
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You realize you're quoting a democratic pollster...right! Where the CEO is a regular Democratic party Doner! Its all about the questions...how they are asked...who is asked...then ya get your " intended "...result !! you base a lot of your arguments on polls don't ya.
OH, that explains why the poll didn't advertise the fact that fewer Obama voters, Very Liberal, Somewhat Liberal, and Moderates knew what country Benghazi is in than anyone else.
Posted by Santorini on Jun. 01 2013,12:48 pm
(Rosalind_Swenson @ May 28 2013,7:47 am)
QUOTE
There were a lot of military people and historians telling Bush and others how torture does not work. Torture is best for eliciting false testimony. People will say anything to make the torture stop. Whistle blowing translator Sibel Edmonds tried telling people that other translators were even giving false translations during "interrogations". She talked to the 911 Commission but they were not allowed to use, follow up on, or publish what she told them. The 911 Commission did however request the "interrogation" tapes from the CIA. The CIA destroyed the tapes so the commission never even got to see them.
Other whistle-blowers have come out and said that the interrogations were only interested in finding links between Iraq and al-qaeda, and when they weren't getting anything they started using harsher methods.
We just have to take the CIA's word for the information they got out of people, since the tapes are gone.
As for the Geneva Convention, it seems the US government doesn't think it applies to them.
Other whistle-blowers have come out and said that the interrogations were only interested in finding links between Iraq and al-qaeda, and when they weren't getting anything they started using harsher methods.
We just have to take the CIA's word for the information they got out of people, since the tapes are gone.
As for the Geneva Convention, it seems the US government doesn't think it applies to them.
Supposed innocents at Gitmo...faulty 911 commission... CIA destroys evidence...water boarding...frack sand mining risks...oil drilling dangers...poor forgotten 99%...etc etc
Is there anything in your mind that is not a conspiracy?
You know they say the more people involved..the less likely its a conspiracy
Posted by irisheyes on Jun. 01 2013,6:21 pm
When border agents were shot it was also blamed on Eric Holder and Obama. You know who were never blamed by the conservatives? The actual shooters. You'd spend hours trying to find a news source talking about the real killers and bringing them to justice, but you can be sure they were ready to tar and feather Eric Holder, Obama, and the ATF.Any news on the search for the people involved in the attack? Have the repubs on the oversight committee asked any questions about them? Do they really care, or are they busy asking about press releases and why Obama called it "an act of terror" as opposed to calling it an act of terrorISM.
They'd still be talking about birth certificates and teleprompters, but those had to run out of momentum eventually.
Posted by MADDOG on Jun. 05 2013,2:34 pm
I didn't know if I should put this here or in the Liar, Liar thread.QUOTE
Obama names Susan Rice as national security adviser despite Benghazi controversy
Published June 05, 2013
FoxNews.com
President Obama named Susan Rice as his national security adviser on Wednesday, despite persistent criticism from Republicans over her initial account of the Benghazi terror attack.
Obama, speaking in the Rose Garden, called Rice a "tireless advocate" for advancing America's interests.
"She is at once passionate and pragmatic," Obama said.
Rice will replace Tom Donilon, who is resigning from the post. Rice, the current U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, does not need Senate confirmation for the job.
< foxnews >
Published June 05, 2013
FoxNews.com
President Obama named Susan Rice as his national security adviser on Wednesday, despite persistent criticism from Republicans over her initial account of the Benghazi terror attack.
Obama, speaking in the Rose Garden, called Rice a "tireless advocate" for advancing America's interests.
"She is at once passionate and pragmatic," Obama said.
Rice will replace Tom Donilon, who is resigning from the post. Rice, the current U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, does not need Senate confirmation for the job.
< foxnews >
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 05 2013,5:43 pm
(MADDOG @ Jun. 05 2013,2:34 pm)
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I didn't know if I should put this here or in the Liar, Liar thread.
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Obama names Susan Rice as national security adviser despite Benghazi controversy
Published June 05, 2013
FoxNews.com
President Obama named Susan Rice as his national security adviser on Wednesday, despite persistent criticism from Republicans over her initial account of the Benghazi terror attack.
Obama, speaking in the Rose Garden, called Rice a "tireless advocate" for advancing America's interests.
"She is at once passionate and pragmatic," Obama said.
Rice will replace Tom Donilon, who is resigning from the post. Rice, the current U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, does not need Senate confirmation for the job.
< foxnews >
Published June 05, 2013
FoxNews.com
President Obama named Susan Rice as his national security adviser on Wednesday, despite persistent criticism from Republicans over her initial account of the Benghazi terror attack.
Obama, speaking in the Rose Garden, called Rice a "tireless advocate" for advancing America's interests.
"She is at once passionate and pragmatic," Obama said.
Rice will replace Tom Donilon, who is resigning from the post. Rice, the current U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, does not need Senate confirmation for the job.
< foxnews >
I feel so much safer
I heard the theory the this is just a smoke screen to take some pressure off the IRS crap.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jun. 08 2013,3:00 am
(Santorini @ Jun. 01 2013,12:48 pm)
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Supposed innocents at Gitmo...faulty 911 commission... CIA destroys evidence...water boarding...frack sand mining risks...oil drilling dangers...poor forgotten 99%...etc etc
Is there anything in your mind that is not a conspiracy?
You know they say the more people involved..the less likely its a conspiracy
Is there anything in your mind that is not a conspiracy?
You know they say the more people involved..the less likely its a conspiracy
There ARE innocents in Guantanamo. The 911 Commission was more than just "faulty" and even some of the commissioners themselves have said that their investigation was faulty. They've said the government was withholding information, evidence and trying to block certain things they tried to investigate.
The CIA DID destroy tapes, that's even been mentioned in MSM. The CIA has admitted to it. The commission asked for these video tapes and instead of handing them over THEY DESTROYED THEM.
Frack sand mining? When have I ever said frack sand mining is a "conspiracy"? I have said many times that fracking for natural gas is stupid and dangerous. I showed plenty of instances why also. And since this country very, very soon is going to be facing some pretty devastating troubles because of water shortages, then endangering the good water we do still have IS STUPID. It's more than stupid. There's not even a word to describe it.
Our children and grandchildren have to deal with the messes we leave them, and THAT should be unacceptable to pretty much everyone.
There are areas in the country that people get "warnings" about going outside at certain times because the air quality is so bad. And we just accept that? "Oh well, that's life"? Bullshiit. Why be complacent about these sorts of things? We The People need to pull our heads out of our collective asses.
Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 08 2013,4:18 pm
While Egypt goes up like a box of kleenex at a sinus convention, our Secretary of State goes boating in Nantucket Sound. What is it with Kerry and boats anyway? No one cared at the State Department that our biggest ally in the muslim world has nearly gone into civil war. Of course, the Bambino Connection to the Brotherhood doesn't want to talk about it. He had secret meetings with them while Mubarouk was still in power. Now we come to find out that perhaps the reason for the long delay before we went into Benghazi was to give President Morsi time to get his "brothers" out of Libya.It's now possible that an “Egyptian cell” who are supporters of the < Muslim Brotherhood > were involved in the attack on the Embassy.
The "Don't shoot, Dr. Morsi sent us" video has now gone viral.
This is starting to get downright sickening. This < first video > has been removed from youtube. < This web page is still up. >
Posted by alcitizens on Jul. 10 2013,4:11 am
Radical Right-Wing Extremist Groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood and the Tea Party are nothing but bad for a civilized Democracy(Republic)..
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 10 2013,4:41 am
(alcitizens @ Jul. 10 2013,4:11 am)
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Radical Right-Wing Extremist Groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood and the Tea Party are nothing but bad for a civilized Democracy(Republic)..
Yep, those tea party bombings, shootings and be headings have to be stopped
Do you wake up fully stupid or does it kind of recycle itself overnight
Posted by alcitizens on Jul. 10 2013,5:56 am
During the 1980s, more than 75 right-wing extremists were prosecuted in the United States for acts of terrorism..Timothy McVeigh, which killed 168 people in Oklahoma..
Eric Rudolph carried out a series of terrorist attacks between 1996 and 1998 including the Centennial Olympic Park bombing which claimed 2 lives and injured 111..
The success of law enforcement in capturing and preventing terrorists has been credited to their efforts to investigate terrorists before they turned to violence..
< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_terrorism#United_States >
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 10 2013,8:25 am
Oh don't forget Bill Ayers, Kathleen Soliah and a host of others.
Posted by pepi-lapew on Jul. 10 2013,9:13 am
Well SB you forgot about the left-wing extremists in the white house,justice dept,IRS,DHS,and thepeople collecting all the emails phonecalls
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 10 2013,9:32 am
^ Damn!
Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 10 2013,1:06 pm
(alcitizens @ Jul. 10 2013,4:11 am)
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Radical Right-Wing Extremist Groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood and the Tea Party are nothing but bad for a civilized Democracy(Republic)..
I think they have a prescription for your problem.
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 07 2013,5:28 am
^ is this oral or a suppository? Might make ol' Al confused So we get to revisit this subject now with all the embassy closings, looks to be a knee-jerk reaction, maybe to try to avoid a prior mistake(and these words are kind)
Terrorist all over the world must be sh!tting themselves laughing at the ineptitude of this administration. We are being probed and conditioned.
Posted by alcitizens on Aug. 07 2013,6:01 am
(Self-Banished @ Aug. 07 2013,5:28 am)
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We are being probed
You and your goofy friends must love being probed up your a$$.. Keep up your goofy Right Wing bull about Benghazi.. You will continue to lose.. I love you kind of freaks..
Posted by irisheyes on Aug. 07 2013,7:59 am
(Self-Banished @ Aug. 07 2013,5:28 am)
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So we get to revisit this subject now with all the embassy closings... Terrorist all over the world must be sh!tting themselves laughing at the ineptitude of this administration. We are being probed and conditioned.
So if they do not have a knee-jerk reaction they're inept, but if they do react, it's called an overreaction and they're inept. Just curious, what specifically should the Administration do that you won't have a problem with?
This alert and the embassy closure will probably result in another scandal. Has Rep. Issa investigated yet?
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 07 2013,8:18 am
^ let's see, how about fessing up about Bengazi, growing a set and learning from a costly mistake?
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 07 2013,8:51 am
(irisheyes @ Aug. 07 2013,7:59 am)
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(Self-Banished @ Aug. 07 2013,5:28 am)
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So we get to revisit this subject now with all the embassy closings... Terrorist all over the world must be sh!tting themselves laughing at the ineptitude of this administration. We are being probed and conditioned.
So if they do not have a knee-jerk reaction they're inept, but if they do react, it's called an overreaction and they're inept. Just curious, what specifically should the Administration do that you won't have a problem with?
This alert and the embassy closure will probably result in another scandal. Has Rep. Issa investigated yet?
They should have authorized a counter attack. There was a team ready to go when they were told to stand down.
Now I don't know about you, but if it were me in charge, I would have authorized the mission and the use of lethal force, even if it meant the death of every one of those terrorist douchebags.
Posted by Glad I Left on Aug. 07 2013,9:20 am
I saw some blurb that Valerie Jarret gave the order to stand down, and not Obama.If that's true that opens a whole new can of worms, but that is pure conjecture at this point.
I wish I could find that link again, I don't know the source or if it is credible or not, but it was on the internet so it must be true..
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 07 2013,12:13 pm
(Glad I Left @ Aug. 07 2013,9:20 am)
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I saw some blurb that Valerie Jarret gave the order to stand down, and not Obama.
If that's true that opens a whole new can of worms, but that is pure conjecture at this point.
I wish I could find that link again, I don't know the source or if it is credible or not, but it was on the internet so it must be true..
If that's true that opens a whole new can of worms, but that is pure conjecture at this point.
I wish I could find that link again, I don't know the source or if it is credible or not, but it was on the internet so it must be true..
< this link? >
She is a POS, caeta (KVNT)
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 07 2013,1:00 pm
(Grinning_Dragon @ May 23 2013,3:16 pm)
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(MADDOG @ May 23 2013,2:08 pm)
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What if Obama supplied arms to militants who opposed Gaddafi? What if Obama had been trying to buy them back?
This ain't over yet.
What if Ambassador Stevens was killed by weapons sold under the authority of Clinton? Now those same weapons may be heading for Syria. What if a gunrunning operation in Libya was the brainchild of Hillary?
Why would Stevens be sent to Benghazi with the danger level being that high? What if Special Ops was told to stand down because of a delicate situation of a hopeful buyback program?
This isn't likely over.
If O'bambam is continually backed into a corner, sooner or later he is going to lash out like a wild caged animal.
This ain't over yet.
What if Ambassador Stevens was killed by weapons sold under the authority of Clinton? Now those same weapons may be heading for Syria. What if a gunrunning operation in Libya was the brainchild of Hillary?
Why would Stevens be sent to Benghazi with the danger level being that high? What if Special Ops was told to stand down because of a delicate situation of a hopeful buyback program?
This isn't likely over.
If O'bambam is continually backed into a corner, sooner or later he is going to lash out like a wild caged animal.
Maddog.
Funny would point to a gun running op in Bengazi. There have been little govt birds chirping about the very same thing you are alluding to.
ombama lash out like a caged animal? Whats he going to do, bow everybody to death? The man is a wuss and weak.So now an unnamed source is claiming that the < CIA > was smuggling weapons to Syrian rebels during Benghazi? The CIA is supposedly putting the kabosh on any of their operatives not cooperating with Congress or the media sources who are investigating. Even if weapons smuggling wasn't occurring, there were as many as 25 CIA agents present and on the ground at the time of the attack. What were they doing there? Why hasn't anyone from the agency stepped forward and spoke to Congress? How long did it take before
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According to a report by CNN, an unnamed source has leaked that the alleged cover-up of the circumstances around the attack is to hide the reality of the smuggling, which occurred before the escalation of the Syrian civil war. This shows that the CIA has been arming the Syrian rebels since at least September 2012. The agents were running the operation out of the Benghazi “annex,” which has been reported as a secret safehouse of the CIA in the city, not far from the embassy...In an exclusive published by CNN, a source has revealed an “unprecedented” effort to keep anyone with information on the Benghazi embassy attack from speaking with the media or Congress. Survivors of the attack were asked to signed non-disclosure agreements, reports Fox News.
source said that the number of assets was 35, and as many as seven were wounded. Some of those were injured seriously. Although the source did not specify how many of them were CIA, he or she did say that 21 American were working in a building called the “annex,” which is believed to be run by the CIA.
reports of cover-ups and conspiracy theories have been emerging since the event last September. In May, Dick Cheney said that Obama is involved in a Benghazi cover-up. Also in May, Slate reported a “smoking gun” indicating a systemic administration cover-up. Some outlets have even claimed and presented evidence that Ambassador Stevens died in the attack “because Secretary of State Hillary Clinton ordered him there,” supposedly on purpose with prior knowledge of the attack. < heavy.com >
source said that the number of assets was 35, and as many as seven were wounded. Some of those were injured seriously. Although the source did not specify how many of them were CIA, he or she did say that 21 American were working in a building called the “annex,” which is believed to be run by the CIA.
reports of cover-ups and conspiracy theories have been emerging since the event last September. In May, Dick Cheney said that Obama is involved in a Benghazi cover-up. Also in May, Slate reported a “smoking gun” indicating a systemic administration cover-up. Some outlets have even claimed and presented evidence that Ambassador Stevens died in the attack “because Secretary of State Hillary Clinton ordered him there,” supposedly on purpose with prior knowledge of the attack. < heavy.com >
White House and State Department coverup. Who could believe that might happen?
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 07 2013,1:05 pm
(MADDOG @ Aug. 07 2013,1:00 pm)
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(Grinning_Dragon @ May 23 2013,3:16 pm)
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(MADDOG @ May 23 2013,2:08 pm)
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What if Obama supplied arms to militants who opposed Gaddafi? What if Obama had been trying to buy them back?
This ain't over yet.
What if Ambassador Stevens was killed by weapons sold under the authority of Clinton? Now those same weapons may be heading for Syria. What if a gunrunning operation in Libya was the brainchild of Hillary?
Why would Stevens be sent to Benghazi with the danger level being that high? What if Special Ops was told to stand down because of a delicate situation of a hopeful buyback program?
This isn't likely over.
If O'bambam is continually backed into a corner, sooner or later he is going to lash out like a wild caged animal.
This ain't over yet.
What if Ambassador Stevens was killed by weapons sold under the authority of Clinton? Now those same weapons may be heading for Syria. What if a gunrunning operation in Libya was the brainchild of Hillary?
Why would Stevens be sent to Benghazi with the danger level being that high? What if Special Ops was told to stand down because of a delicate situation of a hopeful buyback program?
This isn't likely over.
If O'bambam is continually backed into a corner, sooner or later he is going to lash out like a wild caged animal.
Maddog.
Funny would point to a gun running op in Bengazi. There have been little govt birds chirping about the very same thing you are alluding to.
ombama lash out like a caged animal? Whats he going to do, bow everybody to death? The man is a wuss and weak.So now an unnamed source is claiming that the < CIA > was smuggling weapons to Syrian rebels during Benghazi? The CIA is supposedly putting the kabosh on any of their operatives not cooperating with Congress or the media sources who are investigating. Even if weapons smuggling wasn't occurring, there were as many as 25 CIA agents present and on the ground at the time of the attack. What were they doing there? Why hasn't anyone from the agency stepped forward and spoke to Congress? How long did it take before
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According to a report by CNN, an unnamed source has leaked that the alleged cover-up of the circumstances around the attack is to hide the reality of the smuggling, which occurred before the escalation of the Syrian civil war. This shows that the CIA has been arming the Syrian rebels since at least September 2012. The agents were running the operation out of the Benghazi “annex,” which has been reported as a secret safehouse of the CIA in the city, not far from the embassy...In an exclusive published by CNN, a source has revealed an “unprecedented” effort to keep anyone with information on the Benghazi embassy attack from speaking with the media or Congress. Survivors of the attack were asked to signed non-disclosure agreements, reports Fox News.
source said that the number of assets was 35, and as many as seven were wounded. Some of those were injured seriously. Although the source did not specify how many of them were CIA, he or she did say that 21 American were working in a building called the “annex,” which is believed to be run by the CIA.
reports of cover-ups and conspiracy theories have been emerging since the event last September. In May, Dick Cheney said that Obama is involved in a Benghazi cover-up. Also in May, Slate reported a “smoking gun” indicating a systemic administration cover-up. Some outlets have even claimed and presented evidence that Ambassador Stevens died in the attack “because Secretary of State Hillary Clinton ordered him there,” supposedly on purpose with prior knowledge of the attack. < heavy.com >
source said that the number of assets was 35, and as many as seven were wounded. Some of those were injured seriously. Although the source did not specify how many of them were CIA, he or she did say that 21 American were working in a building called the “annex,” which is believed to be run by the CIA.
reports of cover-ups and conspiracy theories have been emerging since the event last September. In May, Dick Cheney said that Obama is involved in a Benghazi cover-up. Also in May, Slate reported a “smoking gun” indicating a systemic administration cover-up. Some outlets have even claimed and presented evidence that Ambassador Stevens died in the attack “because Secretary of State Hillary Clinton ordered him there,” supposedly on purpose with prior knowledge of the attack. < heavy.com >
White House and State Department coverup. Who could believe that might happen?
And to think that Fast and Furious was a "botched" operation. Hell, it was a trial run for a much larger stage.
Posted by alcitizens on Aug. 07 2013,3:39 pm
(Grinning_Dragon @ Aug. 07 2013,8:51 am)
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if it were me in charge, I would have authorized the mission and the use of lethal force
And this is why we don't put you in charge..
Right Wing Republican Kook Ed Snowden is now a Russian because of the Vlad.. You would say "send in the bombs".. cookoo!
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 07 2013,3:59 pm
(alcitizens @ Aug. 07 2013,3:39 pm)
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(Grinning_Dragon @ Aug. 07 2013,8:51 am)
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if it were me in charge, I would have authorized the mission and the use of lethal force
And this is why we don't put you in charge..
Right Wing Republican Kook Ed Snowden is now a Russian because of the Vlad.. You would say "send in the bombs".. cookoo!
Nope, Im fine with Snowden being in Russia.
So, in your mind, you would have just like our pussyassprincess, moron that is at 1600 would have let those Americans Die the way they did?
That is messed up. An American's Life is more important than those who are of the islamic terrorist type. At least those BRAVE former SEALs killed about 60 of those POS.
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 07 2013,5:27 pm
Realistically, our administration would have to be either idiots or conspiring with the enemy to be providing weapons to the Syrian rebels 
since the attacks on the Benghazi compound is linked to Al Qaeda and much of the rebel forces in Syria are also identified with Al Qaeda.So why were CIA operatives in large numbers in Libya on September 11? Why is the CIA involved in what one source calls an unprecedented attempt to keep the spy agency's Benghazi secrets from ever leaking out.
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The lie-detector campaign “is being described as pure intimidation, with the threat that any unauthorized CIA employee who leaks information could face the end of his or her career.” < CNN >
Posted by Glad I Left on Aug. 08 2013,10:26 am
(Grinning_Dragon @ Aug. 07 2013,12:13 pm)
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(Glad I Left @ Aug. 07 2013,9:20 am)
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I saw some blurb that Valerie Jarret gave the order to stand down, and not Obama.
If that's true that opens a whole new can of worms, but that is pure conjecture at this point.
I wish I could find that link again, I don't know the source or if it is credible or not, but it was on the internet so it must be true..
If that's true that opens a whole new can of worms, but that is pure conjecture at this point.
I wish I could find that link again, I don't know the source or if it is credible or not, but it was on the internet so it must be true..
< this link? >
She is a POS, caeta (KVNT)
I don't really any see any sources they cite other than their own writer, Chip Jones, and something called, Conservative Report Online.
I'm not sure I'm ready to call this a slam dunk on anything with that source.
On the 2nd note. Yes, she is a POS.
Posted by alcitizens on Aug. 09 2013,4:13 pm
(Grinning_Dragon @ Aug. 07 2013,3:59 pm)
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Nope, Im fine with Snowden being in Russia.
So, in your mind, you would have just like our pussyassprincess, moron that is at 1600 would have let those Americans Die the way they did?
That is messed up. An American's Life is more important than those who are of the islamic terrorist type. At least those BRAVE former SEALs killed about 60 of those POS.
So, in your mind, you would have just like our pussyassprincess, moron that is at 1600 would have let those Americans Die the way they did?
That is messed up. An American's Life is more important than those who are of the islamic terrorist type. At least those BRAVE former SEALs killed about 60 of those POS.
Hundreds if not thousands of Americans have already died or will die because of the espionage performed by Right-Wing Kooks Edward Snowden and Bradley Manning..
Why do republicans think that we can invade every sovereign nation that has their own Right-Wing Nuts that have not only committed terror against Americans but even their own people?
We just had a kook drive through a crowd of people in California killing an Italian National.. Should Italy send in the bombs?
Posted by Botto 82 on Aug. 09 2013,8:51 pm
(alcitizens @ Aug. 09 2013,4:13 pm)
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(Grinning_Dragon @ Aug. 07 2013,3:59 pm)
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Nope, Im fine with Snowden being in Russia.
So, in your mind, you would have just like our pussyassprincess, moron that is at 1600 would have let those Americans Die the way they did?
That is messed up. An American's Life is more important than those who are of the islamic terrorist type. At least those BRAVE former SEALs killed about 60 of those POS.
So, in your mind, you would have just like our pussyassprincess, moron that is at 1600 would have let those Americans Die the way they did?
That is messed up. An American's Life is more important than those who are of the islamic terrorist type. At least those BRAVE former SEALs killed about 60 of those POS.
Hundreds if not thousands of Americans have already died or will die because of the espionage performed by Right-Wing Kooks Edward Snowden and Bradley Manning..
Why do republicans think that we can invade every sovereign nation that has their own Right-Wing Nuts that have not only committed terror against Americans but even their own people?
We just had a kook drive through a crowd of people in California killing an Italian National.. Should Italy send in the bombs?
My God, take your meds, already.
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 12 2013,1:06 pm
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Up to 35 CIA operatives were working in the city during the attack last September on the US consulate that resulted in the death of Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans, according to CNN.
The circumstances of the attack are a subject of deep division in the US with some Congressional leaders pressing for a wide-ranging investigation into suspicions that the government has withheld details of its activities in the Libyan city.
The television network said that a CIA team was working in an annex near the consulate on a project to supply missiles from Libyan armouries to Syrian rebels.
Sources said that more Americans were hurt in the assault spearheaded by suspected Islamic radicals than had been previously reported. CIA chiefs were actively working to ensure the real nature of its operations in the city did not get out.
< The Telegraph >
So, Obama was running guns from the Libyan armories we stocked for them to the al-Qaeda-affiliated rebels in Syria. The Libyan rebels were after the weapons. After the attack, all Obama had to do is sideline Hillary while his staff hit her over the head to briefed her. Take a trip to Walter Reed to silence the survivors and make up some story about a video. Just when the Whitehouse was starting to get the public to believe it was all a GOP conspiracy. The circumstances of the attack are a subject of deep division in the US with some Congressional leaders pressing for a wide-ranging investigation into suspicions that the government has withheld details of its activities in the Libyan city.
The television network said that a CIA team was working in an annex near the consulate on a project to supply missiles from Libyan armouries to Syrian rebels.
Sources said that more Americans were hurt in the assault spearheaded by suspected Islamic radicals than had been previously reported. CIA chiefs were actively working to ensure the real nature of its operations in the city did not get out.
< The Telegraph >
Posted by alcitizens on Aug. 12 2013,4:23 pm
(MADDOG @ Aug. 12 2013,1:06 pm)
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get the public to believe it was all a GOP conspiracy.
Fast & Furious Libya Style..
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 13 2013,2:18 pm
400 missiles, Hmmm...
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 13 2013,4:15 pm
(alcitizens @ Aug. 12 2013,4:23 pm)
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(MADDOG @ Aug. 12 2013,1:06 pm)
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get the public to believe it was all a GOP conspiracy.
Fast & Furious Libya Style..
Fast and Furious Benghazi style is right. Only this time it's it's not semi automatics and handguns, but SAMs. It's not drug cartels on the receiving end, but world terrorist organizations.
< The Daily Mail >
My mother always told me if I lied, it would only make it worse when she found out the truth. Well it's high time the truth comes out on this illegal activity. The Muppet Media have been long in the bad man's corner. It's time to stretch the rope over the tree for those who are treasonous to this country. This administration has done more damage to this country than four years of civil strife did in the 1860s.
Posted by Banacek on Aug. 13 2013,4:37 pm
It's unbelievable that these wingnuts now try to damage Obama by blaming him for the things Bush did.It's proof that politics in this country is sick and should be put our of its misery.
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 13 2013,5:43 pm
(Banacek @ Aug. 13 2013,4:37 pm)
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It's unbelievable that these wingnuts now try to damage Obama by blaming him for the things Bush did.
It's proof that politics in this country is sick and should be put our of its misery.
It's proof that politics in this country is sick and should be put our of its misery.
Umm, Bush hasn't been president for almost 5 years now, this sh!t getting stale
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 14 2013,1:41 pm
Aren't the libbies suppose to wait until al-Qaeda terrorists start dropping civilian airliners out of the sky before they blame Bush?QUOTE
Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:51AM
Armed groups in Syria have admitted that they have received weapons from French and American sources, reports say.
A defected military officer, who refused to be named, told reporters in the western Syrian city of Al-Qusayr on Tuesday that armed groups receive “French and American assistance.”
He then clarified that the group had received weapons and anti-aircraft missiles from France and the United States.
< Press TV >
Armed groups in Syria have admitted that they have received weapons from French and American sources, reports say.
A defected military officer, who refused to be named, told reporters in the western Syrian city of Al-Qusayr on Tuesday that armed groups receive “French and American assistance.”
He then clarified that the group had received weapons and anti-aircraft missiles from France and the United States.
< Press TV >
< Keep blaming Bush >
Posted by Liberal on Aug. 14 2013,4:42 pm
Now the right wing kooks are quoting Iranian news?
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 14 2013,4:58 pm
...and they should quote the left wing looneys?
Posted by Liberal on Aug. 14 2013,6:40 pm
You think the Iranian government is a better source than liberal news? You right wing kooks get crazier by the day.
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 14 2013,7:24 pm
^Nope, about the same.
Posted by Liberal on Aug. 14 2013,8:12 pm
No, you kooks really are getting crazier by the day.
Posted by Santorini on Aug. 14 2013,11:34 pm
The "crazy" ones are the "still faithful" followers of this administration despite all of the controversy surrounding him.He has increased our debt..weakened our security...made us subservient to the UN...
He's not done 1 thing to benefit this country..not 1...yet the sheeple still defend him. Go figure
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 15 2013,9:50 am
^^^
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 15 2013,12:25 pm
(Expatriate @ Aug. 15 2013,9:50 am)
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^^^
Why is it that some of you libbies have a neurotic fixation of Ann? Are you scared of what she represents or is it something...sexual?
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 15 2013,12:39 pm
(MADDOG @ Aug. 15 2013,12:25 pm)
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(Expatriate @ Aug. 15 2013,9:50 am)
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^^^
Why is it that some of you libbies have a neurotic fixation of Ann? Are you scared of what she represents or is it something...sexual?
I think it all boils down to, what they have to go home to.
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 15 2013,1:03 pm
Hey, behave yourself GD, we shouldn't be bashing gays.
Posted by Liberal on Aug. 15 2013,1:09 pm
You kooks are constantly talking about old man hands Colter being hot, what does that say about the type of "partner" you have at home? I mean since you all seem to have a thing for big hands and adam's apples it makes you wonder.
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 15 2013,2:32 pm
(Liberal @ Aug. 15 2013,1:09 pm)
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You kooks are constantly talking about old man hands Colter being hot, what does that say about the type of "partner" you have at home? I mean since you all seem to have a thing for big hands and adam's apples it makes you wonder.
No, it seems that your man expat is the one with the fixation of BDSM and Ann today.
You're the one who noticed her hands. Is that a bias thing you have about hands or is it intimidation?
Posted by Liberal on Aug. 15 2013,3:17 pm
So you're saying you don't think she's hot?
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 15 2013,3:26 pm
(Liberal @ Aug. 15 2013,1:09 pm)
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You kooks are constantly talking about old man hands Colter being hot, what does that say about the type of "partner" you have at home? I mean since you all seem to have a thing for big hands and adam's apples it makes you wonder.
Why do you need to put partner in quotes? Couldn't you just say spouse, wife, girlfriend, sex-slave, etc..?
Makes you wonder? You are the one that brought up old man hands and an Adams Apple, then goes on to put partner into quotes. HMMMM-------
Posted by Liberal on Aug. 15 2013,3:54 pm
I said "partner" because a lot of you kooks seem to be self loathing closeted homosexuals so I really don't know what sex is waiting for you at home. Besides any man that thinks man hands Coulter is hot has to have some homosexual tendencies.
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 15 2013,4:57 pm
(Liberal @ Aug. 15 2013,3:54 pm)
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I said "partner" because a lot of you kooks seem to be self loathing closeted homosexuals so I really don't know what sex is waiting for you at home. Besides any man that thinks man hands Coulter is hot has to have some homosexual tendencies.
Are you saying you are at the acceptance stage and coming out? Good for you.
The only one bringing up homos, man hands, BSDM and Coulter are you and Expat.
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 15 2013,5:11 pm
So Expat wants to be tied up by Ann Colter and Lib wants to watch him get a "handy" while she drinks a glass of water???
Posted by Liberal on Aug. 15 2013,5:21 pm
Actually your fellow kook brought up gays, I brought up that you kooks seem to have a thing for women with big hands and adam's apples. Why do you think that is? 
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 15 2013,5:50 pm
I like women with small hands
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 16 2013,8:39 am
Coulter's picture was posted with a gag in her mouth in response to Santoony’s unsubstantiated tripe!
Posted by Santorini on Aug. 16 2013,8:51 am
Republican-women-vs-Democrat-women-funny pictures(Search this it's hilarious! Speaking of man hands!)
Posted by Santorini on Aug. 16 2013,9:21 am
Question..are liberal & expat the same person?
Posted by Santorini on Aug. 16 2013,10:57 am
One more thing...Why is it republican/ conservative women are not only more often more physically attractive than democrats/ liberal women, but rep. women almost always appear more positive & pleasant vs their liberal counterparts who almost always look like they just sucked a lemon
Posted by irisheyes on Aug. 16 2013,11:56 am
(Self-Banished @ Aug. 15 2013,5:50 pm)
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I like women with small hands
Right, so they can say you're a handful while keeping a strait face.
Santorini:
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Why is it republican/ conservative women are not only more often more physically attractive than democrats/ liberal women, but rep. women almost always appear more positive & pleasant vs their liberal counterparts who almost always look like they just sucked a lemon
When it comes to looks I think that's painting with too broad of a brush. There are attractive among liberals or conservatives.
But I highly doubt anyone becomes a Republican for the chicks. You're unlikely to see many per-menapausal women at a Republican rally, and the TEA/Republican rallies were mostly geriatrics.
On the rare occasion a younger woman would show up among the Republicans, she'd get tackled and have her head stomped on by a few Republican men.
No, conservative woman are not more positive or pleasant. Conservatives in general are known for being hostile towards nearly everything created after the 19th Century. Only exceptions to this are probably AM radio and the addition to "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance".
The only conservative woman brought up in this thread was Ann Coulter, and Ann Coulter is not positive or pleasant.
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 16 2013,12:28 pm
^I suppose it's all in the eyes of the beholder.
Posted by Santorini on Aug. 16 2013,2:18 pm
Irish eyes, seriously look upRepublican women vs Democratic women Funny Pictures
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 16 2013,3:08 pm
(irisheyes @ Aug. 16 2013,11:56 am)
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(Self-Banished @ Aug. 15 2013,5:50 pm)
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I like women with small hands
Right, so they can say you're a handful while keeping a strait face.
Santorini:
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Why is it republican/ conservative women are not only more often more physically attractive than democrats/ liberal women, but rep. women almost always appear more positive & pleasant vs their liberal counterparts who almost always look like they just sucked a lemon
When it comes to looks I think that's painting with too broad of a brush. There are attractive among liberals or conservatives.
But I highly doubt anyone becomes a Republican for the chicks. You're unlikely to see many per-menapausal women at a Republican rally, and the TEA/Republican rallies were mostly geriatrics.
On the rare occasion a younger woman would show up among the Republicans, she'd get tackled and have her head stomped on by a few Republican men.
No, conservative woman are not more positive or pleasant. Conservatives in general are known for being hostile towards nearly everything created after the 19th Century. Only exceptions to this are probably AM radio and the addition to "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance".
The only conservative woman brought up in this thread was Ann Coulter, and Ann Coulter is not positive or pleasant.
You cannot be that fracking blind or ignorant to say that conservatives are hostile.
A conservative who is a vegetarian has no problems when someone else isn't, a leftist will demean, throw a hissy fit and even damage property and demand that everyone becomes a vegetarian. The tolerant left isn't all that tolerant or not even close to what the left seems to describe itself.
One thing that I have noticed is that when someone set in their ways or demands that everyone conform to their perception of what life should be like, and not even limited to some BS belief that feelings are more important than the rights of others or some other morality based belief that everyone must adhere to.
Frack feelings, Rights trump feelings. People need to stop being in victim mode all the GOD damned time, NO ONE, not even the Govt owes anybody anything, let alone sparing your butt hurt feelings. If facts and figures makes someone cold and uncaring, then so be it. It is better to be correct and cold than to be some over-emotional cry baby that cries life isn't fair and base life and law on emotions.
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 16 2013,5:57 pm
(irisheyes @ Aug. 16 2013,11:56 am)
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(Self-Banished @ Aug. 15 2013,5:50 pm)
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I like women with small hands
Right, so they can say you're a handful while keeping a strait face.
Santorini:
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Why is it republican/ conservative women are not only more often more physically attractive than democrats/ liberal women, but rep. women almost always appear more positive & pleasant vs their liberal counterparts who almost always look like they just sucked a lemon
When it comes to looks I think that's painting with too broad of a brush. There are attractive among liberals or conservatives.
But I highly doubt anyone becomes a Republican for the chicks. You're unlikely to see many per-menapausal women at a Republican rally, and the TEA/Republican rallies were mostly geriatrics.
On the rare occasion a younger woman would show up among the Republicans, she'd get tackled and have her head stomped on by a few Republican men.
No, conservative woman are not more positive or pleasant. Conservatives in general are known for being hostile towards nearly everything created after the 19th Century. Only exceptions to this are probably AM radio and the addition to "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance".
The only conservative woman brought up in this thread was Ann Coulter, and Ann Coulter is not positive or pleasant.
Wow, spelling be damned
I guess I set myself up for that. Who would have thought you'd go for the low hanging fruit 
Speaking of fruit, I imagine with your proclivities you measure by the mouth full or at the very least, worry about how far your "Mr. Winky" will be stretched
Posted by irisheyes on Aug. 17 2013,4:30 pm
(Grinning_Dragon @ Aug. 16 2013,3:08 pm)
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You cannot be that fracking blind or ignorant to say that conservatives are hostile.
Do you see the irony in my remark about conservatives being hostile to some things, and you responding by calling me blind, ignorant, and launching into a diatribe that reminds me of the Drill Sergeant in Full Metal Jacket. You're not exactly the poster child to be telling me conservatives aren't hostile.
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A conservative who is a vegetarian has no problems when someone else isn't, a leftist will demean, throw a hissy fit and even damage property and demand that everyone becomes a vegetarian.
I've known a few vegetarians and a couple vegans. I can't say I've ever seen one do any of the things you mention. Health nuts tend to get plenty of fiber and grains, so your talk of them destroying property and demanding others conform or face bullying and vandalism is surprising.
Are these actual things you've seen, or are they stuff from Brietbart and the like? I'm sure they've got a link somewhere talking about vegetarians raping and pillaging conservatives, but those are "man bites dog" type of stories.
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If facts and figures makes someone cold and uncaring, then so be it. It is better to be correct and cold than to be some over-emotional cry baby that cries life isn't fair and base life and law on emotions.
But your post is filled with emotion, I don't see a single fact or figure in your post.
I never said feelings trump rights, and I don't think anyone else said that either. I've always argued the opposite when it comes to civil liberties, whether it be guns, speech, or rights of the accused.
Posted by irisheyes on Aug. 17 2013,4:44 pm
(Self-Banished @ Aug. 16 2013,5:57 pm)
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Wow, spelling be damned I guess I set myself up for that. Who would have thought you'd go for the low hanging fruit
I guess I set myself up for that. Who would have thought you'd go for the low hanging fruitYeah, I couldn't resist taking that one.
Santorini:
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Republican women vs Democratic women Funny Pictures
I did look it up. Someone definitely found something to support your opinion.
But I still contend there are good looking on all sides of the political landscape. About half of the Baywatch babes were activists in PETA. Then there's < this Huffington Post article > showing five Playboy Playmates interviewed on the 2008 election. Three voting repub, two voting democrat.
Like anything, it takes all kinds.
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 19 2013,2:44 pm
This is the Benghazi thread, right? I had to go back a few posts to find out for sure. So now the lack of sending aid to the distressed compound in Benghazi when it was under attack is causing confusion on the Bambino Family's administration. If the U.S. cuts military aid to Egypt, they might not protect our embassy in Cairo as well.
What I can't figure out is, well...when is a coup d’etat not a coup d’etat? The Administration is required, by law, to immediately cut aide to any country during a military coup. Egypt's army has essentially overthrown Morsi' government.
U.S. civilians have been told to get out of Egypt. If we don't have the ability to protect the embassy ourselves, get them out. The Embassy walls were breached last March. If we don't already have an attachment of marines in the compound already, Obama is an idiot.
Did I just say that?
Posted by alcitizens on Aug. 19 2013,3:59 pm
(MADDOG @ Aug. 19 2013,2:44 pm)
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This is the Benghazi thread, right? I had to go back a few posts to find out for sure.
So now the lack of sending aid to the distressed compound in Benghazi when it was under attack is causing confusion on the Bambino Family's administration. If the U.S. cuts military aid to Egypt, they might not protect our embassy in Cairo as well.
What I can't figure out is, well...when is a coup d’etat not a coup d’etat? The Administration is required, by law, to immediately cut aide to any country during a military coup. Egypt's army has essentially overthrown Morsi' government.
U.S. civilians have been told to get out of Egypt. If we don't have the ability to protect the embassy ourselves, get them out. The Embassy walls were breached last March. If we don't already have an attachment of marines in the compound already, Obama is an idiot.
Did I just say that?
I had to go back a few posts to find out for sure. So now the lack of sending aid to the distressed compound in Benghazi when it was under attack is causing confusion on the Bambino Family's administration. If the U.S. cuts military aid to Egypt, they might not protect our embassy in Cairo as well.
What I can't figure out is, well...when is a coup d’etat not a coup d’etat? The Administration is required, by law, to immediately cut aide to any country during a military coup. Egypt's army has essentially overthrown Morsi' government.
U.S. civilians have been told to get out of Egypt. If we don't have the ability to protect the embassy ourselves, get them out. The Embassy walls were breached last March. If we don't already have an attachment of marines in the compound already, Obama is an idiot.
Did I just say that?
To cut support to the Egyptian Military is the same as Supporting the Muslim Brotherhood..
Do you choose to support the Muslim Brotherhood?
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 19 2013,9:31 pm
^Pull out of the entire middle,Egypt, Syiria, even Isreal. Leave message, carved in stone, any attack on the US wil face brutal retaliation.I know this sounds simplistic but this is the only way we can stop future attacks on our soil.
Posted by alcitizens on Aug. 19 2013,9:52 pm
Middle East Islamist's don't need to attack us here at home, they only need to attack the flow of oil going to the U.S..Is our country prepared for $10 to $20 a gallon gas prices? We will be in the middle east for many years to come..
< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Canal >
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 20 2013,5:45 am
^If a certain president would get up off his ass we could become energy independent.
Posted by Botto 82 on Aug. 20 2013,7:08 am
The time for putting corporations ahead of people must end before any progress towards energy independence can be realized. We are capable of making cars that get 60 to 70 miles per gallon, and do so, just not for the North American market.
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 20 2013,9:14 am
^ we drive what we want, the American market is what it is. If I choose tomdrive a 15mpg vehicle then that's my choice. Are you advocating the gov. Force us otherwise? If gas went to say $5-$7 range then maybe a 50 plus mpg car would be viable. For now it isn't.
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 20 2013,11:43 am
(alcitizens @ Aug. 19 2013,3:59 pm)
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To cut support to the Egyptian Military is the same as Supporting the Muslim Brotherhood..
Do you choose to support the Muslim Brotherhood?
Do you choose to support the Muslim Brotherhood?
And how would you say Obama's relationship is with the Muslim Brotherhood?
What about his < muslim > brother < Malik >?
Posted by Liberal on Aug. 20 2013,12:48 pm
< http://www.loonwatch.com/2011...y-bucks >
Posted by alcitizens on Aug. 20 2013,4:01 pm
(Self-Banished @ Aug. 20 2013,5:45 am)
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^If a certain president would get up off his ass we could become energy independent.
I suggest a certain person get his head out of his ass..
U.S. crude-oil production grew by more than one million barrels a day last year, the largest increase in the world and the largest in U.S. history.
< http://online.wsj.com/article...28.html >
Posted by alcitizens on Aug. 20 2013,5:22 pm
(MADDOG @ Aug. 20 2013,11:43 am)
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(alcitizens @ Aug. 19 2013,3:59 pm)
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To cut support to the Egyptian Military is the same as Supporting the Muslim Brotherhood..
Do you choose to support the Muslim Brotherhood?
Do you choose to support the Muslim Brotherhood?
And how would you say Obama's relationship is with the Muslim Brotherhood?
What about his < muslim > brother < Malik >?
Why would anyone in their right mind post a link to an article by a so called ex-member of the Muslim Brotherhood as if it was fact?
I hope you realize the Muslim Brotherhood is a radical right-wing organization like the Tea Party..
I suggest you stick with Fox News or World Nut Daily, not Shoebat..
Posted by Banacek on Aug. 20 2013,6:20 pm
I'm amazed at this site. Why do the local rednecks always talk about world issues here? It's SO FAR out of your league it's just ridiculous! While all kinds of insane things happen right here under your noses. Stay local, that's the power of this forum. Nobody cares what some uneducated nitwit in some small town in backwoodsville thinks about worldly issues. Most of you can't even wrap your head around these issues let alone discuss them with any authority.
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 20 2013,8:09 pm
(alcitizens @ Aug. 20 2013,4:01 pm)
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(Self-Banished @ Aug. 20 2013,5:45 am)
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^If a certain president would get up off his ass we could become energy independent.
I suggest a certain person get his head out of his ass..
U.S. crude-oil production grew by more than one million barrels a day last year, the largest increase in the world and the largest in U.S. history.
< http://online.wsj.com/article...28.html >
Pull your head out of your own ass
We need that pipeline coming out of the oil fields, these "little" Warren Buffet trains are eating up our transportation capacity. With the added capacity we would get from the pipeline we could really put a dent in the Middle East influence.
So I suppose the you Al like paying $3.50 plus for gas in your car, paying more for everything you buy because of transportation costs. I fondly remember $1.80 gas, when was that? Oh yes, during the Bush years. Yep, your boy certainly knows how to to run an economy, less the 2% growth, and what? 7.5% unemployment. Staggering
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 20 2013,8:30 pm
Is that it? Just all over Shoebat? No comments about Malik? I love a parade. Somewhere in the line of floats and bands, there's always clowns.Seriously though alki, how would you describe Bambino's relationship with the Brotherhood and some of it's members?
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 20 2013,9:10 pm
(Banacek @ Aug. 20 2013,6:20 pm)
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I'm amazed at this site. Why do the local rednecks always talk about world issues here? It's SO FAR out of your league it's just ridiculous! While all kinds of insane things happen right here under your noses. Stay local, that's the power of this forum. Nobody cares what some uneducated nitwit in some small town in backwoodsville thinks about worldly issues. Most of you can't even wrap your head around these issues let alone discuss them with any authority.
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Posted by alcitizens on Aug. 20 2013,11:29 pm
Why is it that sometimes I feel like I'm dealing with Beavis and Butthead?
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 21 2013,1:14 pm
(alcitizens @ Aug. 20 2013,11:29 pm)
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Why is it that sometimes I feel like I'm Beavis?
So Beavis, how would you describe Bambino's relationship with the Brotherhood and some of it's members?
Posted by Liberal on Aug. 21 2013,2:05 pm
If you wonder where butthead gets his news...< https://www.google.com/search?...4X6KVOo >
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 21 2013,4:11 pm
I ask alki for a response three times and the best I get is a reply from < obama's relationship with muslim brotherhood >
Posted by Liberal on Aug. 21 2013,4:21 pm
Does it hurt to be that stupid?
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 21 2013,4:35 pm
^ does it suck to be that stale?
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 21 2013,5:14 pm
I thought you got nose bleeds in that high chair?
Posted by alcitizens on Aug. 21 2013,8:35 pm
..
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 22 2013,5:59 am
(alcitizens @ Aug. 21 2013,8:35 pm)
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..
I like that but it seems that the words are a little wrong, try this,
What good is a democracy if you,
Can't us it to ignore the will of the people,
Circumvent the courts,
And impose radical left wing ideas.
There, I fixed it for you, all better
Posted by Botto 82 on Aug. 22 2013,7:38 am
I'd settle for a democracy that regulates its corporations and protects its people, and not the other way around.
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 22 2013,7:57 am
^ yep, it's gotta come from snopes to be true.
Posted by irisheyes on Aug. 22 2013,9:46 pm
(Self-Banished @ Aug. 20 2013,8:09 pm)
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If a certain president would get up off his ass we could become energy independent... With the added capacity we would get from the pipeline we could really put a dent in the Middle East influence.
So I suppose the you Al like paying $3.50 plus for gas in your car, paying more for everything you buy because of transportation costs.
So I suppose the you Al like paying $3.50 plus for gas in your car, paying more for everything you buy because of transportation costs.
The more oil we produce the more they ship elsewhere. In 2011 we were a net EXPORTER of oil for the first time in over 60 years! 1949 was the last time a President could say that. But naturally you'll focus on the oil executives idea of building even more pipelines in this country so they can ship it overseas even faster.
There's no energy independence for the same reason there's no cotton or cell phone independence.
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I fondly remember $1.80 gas, when was that? Oh yes, during the Bush years.
Yeah, those glorious few months before the planes hit the towers I remember gas being pretty low, just like the deficit. But that's what Bush STARTED with, not what he left with.
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Yep, your boy certainly knows how to to run an economy, less the 2% growth, and what? 7.5% unemployment. Staggering
So you're saying Obama is improving the economy, but not fast enough. Much like people saying Bin Laden is dead, but the President didn't kill him with his own hands. We're a net EXPORTER of oil for the first time since the invention of Velcro and the first printings of The Diary of Anne Frank. But, we could export even more if we built a pipeline to carry tar sands oil over an enormous freshwater aquifer.
Posted by alcitizens on Aug. 23 2013,1:49 am
World demand dictates the price you pay at the pump.. Low demand for oil results in lower prices.. High demand results in higher prices..If prices get too low, oil producers can cut production to keep prices up.. OPEC
Just trying to draw a more detailed picture for the Beavis and Buttheads of the world for the 100th time..
< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPEC >
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 23 2013,4:10 am
(alcitizens @ Aug. 23 2013,1:49 am)
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World demand dictates the price you pay at the pump.. Low demand for oil results in lower prices.. High demand results in higher prices..
If prices get too low, oil producers can cut production to keep prices up.. OPEC
Just trying to draw a more detailed picture for the Beavis and Buttheads of the world for the 100th time..
< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPEC >
If prices get too low, oil producers can cut production to keep prices up.. OPEC
Just trying to draw a more detailed picture for the Beavis and Buttheads of the world for the 100th time..
< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPEC >
Let's put this in words you might understand,
Duh, no sh!t
Posted by alcitizens on Aug. 23 2013,4:24 am
(Self-Banished @ Aug. 20 2013,8:09 pm)
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So I suppose the you Al like paying $3.50 plus for gas in your car, paying more for everything you buy because of transportation costs. I fondly remember $1.80 gas, when was that? Oh yes, during the Bush years.
Then read what you recently said.. (Above)
Bush was the first president in history to have gas prices over $4.00 per gallon.. What a Butthead..
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 23 2013,4:28 am
(irisheyes @ Aug. 22 2013,9:46 pm)
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(Self-Banished @ Aug. 20 2013,8:09 pm)
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If a certain president would get up off his ass we could become energy independent... With the added capacity we would get from the pipeline we could really put a dent in the Middle East influence.
So I suppose the you Al like paying $3.50 plus for gas in your car, paying more for everything you buy because of transportation costs.
So I suppose the you Al like paying $3.50 plus for gas in your car, paying more for everything you buy because of transportation costs.
The more oil we produce the more they ship elsewhere. In 2011 we were a net EXPORTER of oil for the first time in over 60 years! 1949 was the last time a President could say that. But naturally you'll focus on the oil executives idea of building even more pipelines in this country so they can ship it overseas even faster.
There's no energy independence for the same reason there's no cotton or cell phone independence.
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I fondly remember $1.80 gas, when was that? Oh yes, during the Bush years.
Yeah, those glorious few months before the planes hit the towers I remember gas being pretty low, just like the deficit. But that's what Bush STARTED with, not what he left with.
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Yep, your boy certainly knows how to to run an economy, less the 2% growth, and what? 7.5% unemployment. Staggering
So you're saying Obama is improving the economy, but not fast enough. Much like people saying Bin Laden is dead, but the President didn't kill him with his own hands. We're a net EXPORTER of oil for the first time since the invention of Velcro and the first printings of The Diary of Anne Frank. But, we could export even more if we built a pipeline to carry tar sands oil over an enormous freshwater aquifer.
Yes we are an exporter, oil is a commodity, bought and sold, but excuse an old man, I remember the gas lines of the 70's. we need more capacity, pipelines and refining capacity. What happens if we go into a world war, the possibilities are there. Being caught flat footed would be disastrous.
Yep, President dumbass' growth of the economy is staggering
Reminds me of my ex wife's plant hobby, slow growth, producing squat. Gas prices? One of the reasons oil is so high is because our dollar is becoming worthless, I suppose printing 80 billion $ a month will do that.
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 23 2013,4:38 am
(alcitizens @ Aug. 23 2013,4:24 am)
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(Self-Banished @ Aug. 20 2013,8:09 pm)
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So I suppose the you Al like paying $3.50 plus for gas in your car, paying more for everything you buy because of transportation costs. I fondly remember $1.80 gas, when was that? Oh yes, during the Bush years.
Then read what you recently said.. (Above)
Bush was the first president in history to have gas prices over $4.00 per gallon.. What a Butthead..
Well you're up early (late?)
Yes I do remember that, pulling up to the pumps and seeing $4.80 a gallon diesel. But Obama's stretch with the gas prices has been a long one.
Posted by alcitizens on Aug. 23 2013,9:22 am
Gas prices became low when the DOW crashed below 7000 and millions lost their job in 2007-2008 during the Bush years.. DOW Drops Below 7000
< http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123599406229708501.html >
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 23 2013,9:25 am
^ yes, I know, it was called a "correction"
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 26 2013,2:49 pm
On a side note. Ex-IRS head Lois, the 5th Lerner's lawyer is attempting to negotiate a deal with the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee about possibly gaining immunity to testify again in the committee’s investigative hearings.Lerner still remains under subpoena. The committee has not offered her any immunity, however, they are still willing to listen to offers from her lawyer as to what she is willing to testify about if they would grant her any type of immunity.
Of course, Lois needn't worry. It's all just a tea party conspiracy. Or was that just about Malik?
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 26 2013,3:17 pm
She's retired with full pension, if she were guilty of something would she keep it?A little closed door meeting with her and her lawyer, find out what she has to say. A deal might be awfully smart for her
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 26 2013,5:08 pm
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Posted by Common Citizen on Sep. 26 2013,6:50 pm
^c'mon. You've gotta admit you would be all over this like a fly on poop if this happened during a Republican administration. At least be honest. Sheesh...
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 26 2013,7:30 pm
^ once yeah, don't wear it out numbnuts
Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 07 2013,12:57 pm
Obama has been doing well keeping everyone's attention on Congress and the shutdown, people tend to forget about his other failed steps.QUOTE
< Benghazi investigators gave Hillary Clinton heads-up on findings >
Retired Adm. Mike Mullen, vice chairman of the accountability review board, acknowledged that he warned Mrs. Clinton’s chief of staff not to send a particular official to Congress because “she would be a weak witness” who might hurt the State Department’s stance.
“If this is so independent, why are you giving the State Department a heads-up about a witness coming in front of this committee?” said Rep. Jim Jordan, Ohio Republican. He said the warning came just days after Adm. Mullen had been appointed to the review board.
Pat Smith, the mother of Sean said President Obama and his top aides came up to her at the casket ceremony when her son’s body was returned to the U.S.
“Every one of them came up to me, gave me a big hug, and I asked them what happened. Please tell me. And every one of them said it was the video. And we all know that it wasn’t the video. Even at that time they knew it wasn’t the video. So they all lied to me,” she said.
Also Thursday, Rep. Darrell E. Issa, California Republican and chairman of the oversight committee, said he has signed subpoenas to demand testimony from two witnesses who he said talked to the review board but whom the State Department has refused to allow to talk to Congress.
Retired Adm. Mike Mullen, vice chairman of the accountability review board, acknowledged that he warned Mrs. Clinton’s chief of staff not to send a particular official to Congress because “she would be a weak witness” who might hurt the State Department’s stance.
“If this is so independent, why are you giving the State Department a heads-up about a witness coming in front of this committee?” said Rep. Jim Jordan, Ohio Republican. He said the warning came just days after Adm. Mullen had been appointed to the review board.
Pat Smith, the mother of Sean said President Obama and his top aides came up to her at the casket ceremony when her son’s body was returned to the U.S.
“Every one of them came up to me, gave me a big hug, and I asked them what happened. Please tell me. And every one of them said it was the video. And we all know that it wasn’t the video. Even at that time they knew it wasn’t the video. So they all lied to me,” she said.
Also Thursday, Rep. Darrell E. Issa, California Republican and chairman of the oversight committee, said he has signed subpoenas to demand testimony from two witnesses who he said talked to the review board but whom the State Department has refused to allow to talk to Congress.
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< Issa: Benghazi attack result of Hillary Clinton’s reckless, ill-advised ‘war on terror’ policies >
Responsibility for the September 11 Benghazi assault and the deaths of four U.S. citizens — including Libyan ambassador Chris Stevens — lies personally at the feet of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, according to California Republican Rep. Darrell Issa.
“The investigation really is now not about what we know, but about how we can prevent abuse of security before the fact, how we respond during the fact, and how we hold people accountable after the fact for deliberate misinformation — if you want to be kind — [and] outright lies, if not,” said Issa, who serves as head of the Oversight and Government reform committee.
Clinton recklessly pursued an ill-advised policy of “normalization” meant to make the U.S. look like it was winning the war on terror, dividing the State and Defense Departments. The rift between the two weakened cooperation — the full weight of assets that the U.S. could have deployed to help the Americans stranded in the consulate were not dispatched, since the State department did not want to involve military forces for the sake of appearances, Issa said.
Responsibility for the September 11 Benghazi assault and the deaths of four U.S. citizens — including Libyan ambassador Chris Stevens — lies personally at the feet of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, according to California Republican Rep. Darrell Issa.
“The investigation really is now not about what we know, but about how we can prevent abuse of security before the fact, how we respond during the fact, and how we hold people accountable after the fact for deliberate misinformation — if you want to be kind — [and] outright lies, if not,” said Issa, who serves as head of the Oversight and Government reform committee.
Clinton recklessly pursued an ill-advised policy of “normalization” meant to make the U.S. look like it was winning the war on terror, dividing the State and Defense Departments. The rift between the two weakened cooperation — the full weight of assets that the U.S. could have deployed to help the Americans stranded in the consulate were not dispatched, since the State department did not want to involve military forces for the sake of appearances, Issa said.
I know some will say, look at the media source. I think that article likely says it all.
Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 28 2013,2:05 pm
For those who missed it last night.< Transcript >
Part of the lame stream is starting to tune in. Will they start asking the hard questions now, or will they stop here hoping that the public will accept this as the whole story?
Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 28 2013,9:16 pm
JFK assassination preventable Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 29 2013,12:25 am
^so is being lame.
Posted by MADDOG on Nov. 22 2013,8:36 am
As the administration and what lamestream media Bambino has left attempts to detrack from all the 'conspiracies,' more keeps coming in on Benghazi.Only limited information, videos and pictures had been released so far despite requests back last December using the FOIA. Now finally additional pictures have been released by the < state department >.
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< 'Pleading' distress calls' >
State Department employees at the Benghazi compound knew they were in a death trap and made a series of radio distress calls to the CIA annex during the terror assault last year, according to congressional sources familiar with recent testimony on the attack from five CIA personnel.
State Department employees at the Benghazi compound knew they were in a death trap and made a series of radio distress calls to the CIA annex during the terror assault last year, according to congressional sources familiar with recent testimony on the attack from five CIA personnel.
You have to wonder if people will go to prison for some of the state department and justice departments' antics after this administration is toppled in 2016? At what point will the Bambino family run out of distractors to keep the Americans publics' sheepish eyes swollen shut?
Posted by MADDOG on Jan. 03 2014,11:38 am
(MADDOG @ Oct. 07 2013,12:57 pm)
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Obama has been doing well keeping everyone's attention on Congress and the shutdown, people tend to forget about his other failed steps.
I know some will say, look at the media source. I think that article likely says it all.
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< Benghazi investigators gave Hillary Clinton heads-up on findings >
Retired Adm. Mike Mullen, vice chairman of the accountability review board, acknowledged that he warned Mrs. Clinton’s chief of staff not to send a particular official to Congress because “she would be a weak witness” who might hurt the State Department’s stance.
“If this is so independent, why are you giving the State Department a heads-up about a witness coming in front of this committee?” said Rep. Jim Jordan, Ohio Republican. He said the warning came just days after Adm. Mullen had been appointed to the review board.
Pat Smith, the mother of Sean said President Obama and his top aides came up to her at the casket ceremony when her son’s body was returned to the U.S.
“Every one of them came up to me, gave me a big hug, and I asked them what happened. Please tell me. And every one of them said it was the video. And we all know that it wasn’t the video. Even at that time they knew it wasn’t the video. So they all lied to me,” she said.
Also Thursday, Rep. Darrell E. Issa, California Republican and chairman of the oversight committee, said he has signed subpoenas to demand testimony from two witnesses who he said talked to the review board but whom the State Department has refused to allow to talk to Congress.
Retired Adm. Mike Mullen, vice chairman of the accountability review board, acknowledged that he warned Mrs. Clinton’s chief of staff not to send a particular official to Congress because “she would be a weak witness” who might hurt the State Department’s stance.
“If this is so independent, why are you giving the State Department a heads-up about a witness coming in front of this committee?” said Rep. Jim Jordan, Ohio Republican. He said the warning came just days after Adm. Mullen had been appointed to the review board.
Pat Smith, the mother of Sean said President Obama and his top aides came up to her at the casket ceremony when her son’s body was returned to the U.S.
“Every one of them came up to me, gave me a big hug, and I asked them what happened. Please tell me. And every one of them said it was the video. And we all know that it wasn’t the video. Even at that time they knew it wasn’t the video. So they all lied to me,” she said.
Also Thursday, Rep. Darrell E. Issa, California Republican and chairman of the oversight committee, said he has signed subpoenas to demand testimony from two witnesses who he said talked to the review board but whom the State Department has refused to allow to talk to Congress.
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< Issa: Benghazi attack result of Hillary Clinton’s reckless, ill-advised ‘war on terror’ policies >
Responsibility for the September 11 Benghazi assault and the deaths of four U.S. citizens — including Libyan ambassador Chris Stevens — lies personally at the feet of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, according to California Republican Rep. Darrell Issa.
“The investigation really is now not about what we know, but about how we can prevent abuse of security before the fact, how we respond during the fact, and how we hold people accountable after the fact for deliberate misinformation — if you want to be kind — [and] outright lies, if not,” said Issa, who serves as head of the Oversight and Government reform committee.
Clinton recklessly pursued an ill-advised policy of “normalization” meant to make the U.S. look like it was winning the war on terror, dividing the State and Defense Departments. The rift between the two weakened cooperation — the full weight of assets that the U.S. could have deployed to help the Americans stranded in the consulate were not dispatched, since the State department did not want to involve military forces for the sake of appearances, Issa said.
Responsibility for the September 11 Benghazi assault and the deaths of four U.S. citizens — including Libyan ambassador Chris Stevens — lies personally at the feet of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, according to California Republican Rep. Darrell Issa.
“The investigation really is now not about what we know, but about how we can prevent abuse of security before the fact, how we respond during the fact, and how we hold people accountable after the fact for deliberate misinformation — if you want to be kind — [and] outright lies, if not,” said Issa, who serves as head of the Oversight and Government reform committee.
Clinton recklessly pursued an ill-advised policy of “normalization” meant to make the U.S. look like it was winning the war on terror, dividing the State and Defense Departments. The rift between the two weakened cooperation — the full weight of assets that the U.S. could have deployed to help the Americans stranded in the consulate were not dispatched, since the State department did not want to involve military forces for the sake of appearances, Issa said.
I know some will say, look at the media source. I think that article likely says it all.
Hillary seems to be building more problems in North Africa. Every little thing that could bite her in her bulbous bxxx in 2016.
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< Hillary Clinton Facing Criminal Charges Over Muslim Brotherhood Connection >
(W)hilst continuing her attempts to prevent national exposure of her role in the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi, she could now be facing criminal charges in Egypt, over her known Muslim Brotherhood connections and her collusion with the wife of ousted Egyptian President Muhammad Morsi to incite violent revolution in the north African nation.
The numerous known ties between the Obama administration and the Muslim Brotherhood – none of which have been revealed in the American mainstream media – were destined to be exposed during this process. Those ties include:
1) Barack Obama’s half-brother, Malik Obama, has been implicated in fund-raising operations for a known terrorist organization and is said to be involved in the management of funds for the Muslim Brotherhood. These connections were previously explored in an August article in the Guardian Liberty Voice.
2) Mohamed Elibiary, who has made no secret of the fact that he is an Islamist and Muslim Brotherhood supporter, is a member of the US Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Security Advisory Council. He was appointed to that position in September, 2010. He is not the only person linked to the Muslim Brotherhood who holds an influential position within the US government.
3) Iranian-born Huma Abedin, who is a close friend of Hillary Rodham Clinton and her former Chief of Staff, has ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. Saleha Abedin, Huma’s mother, has been identified as one of the leaders of the Muslim Sisterhood. Huma Abedin is also the wife of former Democratic Congressman and failed New York mayoral candidate Anthony Weiner.
(W)hilst continuing her attempts to prevent national exposure of her role in the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi, she could now be facing criminal charges in Egypt, over her known Muslim Brotherhood connections and her collusion with the wife of ousted Egyptian President Muhammad Morsi to incite violent revolution in the north African nation.
The numerous known ties between the Obama administration and the Muslim Brotherhood – none of which have been revealed in the American mainstream media – were destined to be exposed during this process. Those ties include:
1) Barack Obama’s half-brother, Malik Obama, has been implicated in fund-raising operations for a known terrorist organization and is said to be involved in the management of funds for the Muslim Brotherhood. These connections were previously explored in an August article in the Guardian Liberty Voice.
2) Mohamed Elibiary, who has made no secret of the fact that he is an Islamist and Muslim Brotherhood supporter, is a member of the US Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Security Advisory Council. He was appointed to that position in September, 2010. He is not the only person linked to the Muslim Brotherhood who holds an influential position within the US government.
3) Iranian-born Huma Abedin, who is a close friend of Hillary Rodham Clinton and her former Chief of Staff, has ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. Saleha Abedin, Huma’s mother, has been identified as one of the leaders of the Muslim Sisterhood. Huma Abedin is also the wife of former Democratic Congressman and failed New York mayoral candidate Anthony Weiner.
Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 02 2014,8:53 am
We'll see how well Michael Morell does at today's hearing on Capital Hill today as he's pressed to recount his past comments and actions to the Senate and House or face possible perjury charges.QUOTE
< CIA Station Chief Confirms Administration's Benghazi Lies >
Before the administration told the world the false narrative of the attack on our compound, the CIA's station chief in Libya pointedly told his superiors in Washington that no spontaneous demonstration occurred.
We didn't need any more proof that the president of the United States, Barack Obama, his secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, and his United Nations ambassador, Susan Rice, repeatedly and deliberately lied to the American people. They told the public that the terrorist attack on our Benghazi diplomatic mission was a spontaneous demonstration that went rogue in response to an Internet video.
We will nonetheless get more proof on Wednesday from acting CIA Director Mike Morell. He is scheduled to give his first public testimony on the Benghazi attack at a hearing of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.
Morell's public testimony comes a day after the CIA's top officer on the ground in Libya at the time of the Benghazi terrorist attack appeared before a House panel for the first time. In closed-door testimony, he confirmed the attack was "not an escalation of protests." Morell received that message in Washington, D.C., in an email on Sept. 15, 2012. It was the day before Rice went on five Sunday talk shows to spread the false video narrative.
Before the administration told the world the false narrative of the attack on our compound, the CIA's station chief in Libya pointedly told his superiors in Washington that no spontaneous demonstration occurred.
We didn't need any more proof that the president of the United States, Barack Obama, his secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, and his United Nations ambassador, Susan Rice, repeatedly and deliberately lied to the American people. They told the public that the terrorist attack on our Benghazi diplomatic mission was a spontaneous demonstration that went rogue in response to an Internet video.
We will nonetheless get more proof on Wednesday from acting CIA Director Mike Morell. He is scheduled to give his first public testimony on the Benghazi attack at a hearing of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.
Morell's public testimony comes a day after the CIA's top officer on the ground in Libya at the time of the Benghazi terrorist attack appeared before a House panel for the first time. In closed-door testimony, he confirmed the attack was "not an escalation of protests." Morell received that message in Washington, D.C., in an email on Sept. 15, 2012. It was the day before Rice went on five Sunday talk shows to spread the false video narrative.
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< Former CIA deputy director to testify >
Members of the House Intelligence Committee held a classified session Tuesday with the CIA’s former Libya station chief, whose assessment that there had been no protest leading before the Benghazi terrorist attacks was left out of the Obama administration’s talking points used on national television.
While the CIA would neither confirm nor deny the session on Capitol Hill, other sources familiar with the development told The Washington Times that committee members sought the station chief’s perspective on the talking points ahead of a long-anticipated public hearing Wednesday — during which former Deputy CIA Director Michael J. Morell is slated to testify.
Lawmakers say the hearing will delve into why Mr. Morell and other agency officials in Washington did not include the station chief’s assessments in claims by then-U.N. Ambassador Susan E. Rice to assert during several news talk shows that the Benghazi attacks grew out of a protest over an anti-islam video.
Members of the House Intelligence Committee held a classified session Tuesday with the CIA’s former Libya station chief, whose assessment that there had been no protest leading before the Benghazi terrorist attacks was left out of the Obama administration’s talking points used on national television.
While the CIA would neither confirm nor deny the session on Capitol Hill, other sources familiar with the development told The Washington Times that committee members sought the station chief’s perspective on the talking points ahead of a long-anticipated public hearing Wednesday — during which former Deputy CIA Director Michael J. Morell is slated to testify.
Lawmakers say the hearing will delve into why Mr. Morell and other agency officials in Washington did not include the station chief’s assessments in claims by then-U.N. Ambassador Susan E. Rice to assert during several news talk shows that the Benghazi attacks grew out of a protest over an anti-islam video.
Let's speculate a fifth plea.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 02 2014,10:03 am
^^^seems to be the democrat mantra.
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 02 2014,11:09 am
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Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 02 2014,11:22 am
(Expatriate @ Apr. 02 2014,11:09 am)
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Wow, I'm deeply hurt, cut to the quick.
Posted by Liberal on Apr. 02 2014,3:09 pm
That hearing was a riot. The witness made the committee look like a bunch of partisan clowns. It was so bad that Fox cut away from the hearing and Peter King actually left the hearing to do a damage control interview with Fox.
Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 04 2014,1:47 pm
(Liberal @ Apr. 02 2014,3:09 pm)
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That hearing was a riot. The witness made the committee look like a bunch of partisan clowns. It was so bad that Fox cut away from the hearing and Peter King actually left the hearing to do a damage control interview with Fox.
Your opinion.
I didn't have the privilege to watch the coverage. I have seen a few excerpts and from what I gather, Morell attempted to backwash the issue and protect his superiors. (Whoever he/she was) He defense was that he chose to listen to his analysts in Washington rather than take the words of the guidance and testament of the CIA officials on the ground in Libya.
I mean, really. Who would have a better perspective of what was happening, an analyst in Washington or the CIA's Chief of Station?
< Sources on ground slam ex-CIA boss Morell’s testimony. >
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 30 2014,10:29 am
Looks like more evidence...< http://www.usatoday.com/story...8471737 >
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 30 2014,10:33 am
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 30 2014,10:39 am
Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 30 2014,10:55 am
Expat. You were in the service. Did you take an oath of enlistment?
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 30 2014,1:49 pm
^^^ no no no, he thought the said oaf of enlistment and took it as a compliment.
Posted by irisheyes on May 01 2014,10:15 am
(Self-Banished @ Apr. 30 2014,10:29 am)
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Looks like more evidence...
< http://www.usatoday.com/story...8471737 >
< http://www.usatoday.com/story...8471737 >
So, the memo should be changed? You're still unhappy about the memo?
I have trouble keeping track of all of these scandals, but luckily the FOXnews media application has a handy topic that lets you go right to the scandals, and in the early morning they have a segment called "the D.C. scandals".
Maddog:
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I didn't have the privilege to watch the coverage. I have seen a few excerpts and from what I gather, Morell attempted to backwash the issue and protect his superiors.
I'd recommend watching it, uncut if you can find it. Nearly all of the Benghazi stuff is commentators or "Fox News Analysts" describing what happened. I watched about half hour of testimony later that week on youtube, but it was REALLY difficult to find the actual Q&A between the committee and Morell. As for the talking points after the attack, even Congressman Peter King five days after the attack was claiming it was a started over an internet video, and he's on both the Intelligence and Homeland Security Committees.
I guess Morrel should have plead the 5th, the scandal goes on...
Posted by MADDOG on May 01 2014,11:16 am
Now we hear from the Air Force Brigadier General-US Africa Command, retired Brig. Gen. Robert Lovell. QUOTE
"We sent a drone overhead," Lovell said, almost mumbling. "It was desperation... There was a lot of waiting for State Department for what it was that they wanted."
"Did they ever tell you to go to Benghazi?" Chaffetz asked.
"No sir."
"Did they ever tell you to go to Benghazi?" Chaffetz asked.
"No sir."
Posted by Self-Banished on May 07 2014,7:12 pm
(irisheyes @ May 01 2014,10:15 am)
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I have trouble keeping track of all of these scandals, but luckily the FOXnews media application has a handy topic that lets you go right to the scandals, and in the early morning they have a segment called "the D.C. scandals".
FOX has an app??? Wow between you and FOX and Exlax and Rush you guys must be the tip of an iceberg of demographics for these folks.
I see where Gowdy has been receiving death threats, you Dems sure are a nasty group, must be scared of something?
I see where they got an image of one of the possible perps...
Posted by grassman on May 07 2014,8:20 pm
SB, that isn't your prom date I HOPE!!!!! I'm sorry.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 08 2014,4:49 am
^^that would take a lot of alcohol to wake up next to wouldn't it?
Posted by MADDOG on May 09 2014,8:33 am
QUOTE
Want to piss off a Conservative...? Tell him a lie.
Want to piss off a Liberal...? Tell him the truth.
Want to piss off a Liberal...? Tell him the truth.
Posted by Liberal on May 09 2014,12:05 pm
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An NRCC email sent Wednesday morning included a link to “become a Benghazi watchdog” – which led to a page where supporters can donate cash. A separate website called “BenghaziWatchdogs.com” still contains a link encouraging visitors to “help fight liberals by donating today.”
Democrats say that’s inappropriate and calls attention to the political nature of the GOP focus on Benghazi.
In a statement sent minutes before Boehner’s weekly press conference began, Rep. Steve Israel, who chairs the Democratic counterpart to the NRCC, called the Republican cash appeal “callous.”
“Fundraising off the Benghazi tragedy is despicable and insulting and has no place in the national conversation,” he said. “Speaker Boehner and Chairman Walden should immediately take down their BenghaziWatchdogs.com website and stop insulting the memory of the brave Americans who were lost there."
Republican Rep. Trey Gowdy, who has been named as the chairman of a special committee to investigate Benghazi, said on MSNBC’s Morning Joe Wednesday that Republicans should stop using the attacks in asks for cash.
< http://www.nbcnews.com/politic...n100456 >
Even Trey Gowdy thinks they should stop trying to raise money off dead Americans. Sort of makes you question their motives.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 09 2014,12:08 pm
There are unscrupulous people on both sides.
Posted by MADDOG on May 09 2014,1:42 pm
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“Fundraising off the Benghazi tragedy is despicable and insulting and has no place in the national conversation,” he said. “Speaker Boehner and Chairman Walden should immediately take down their BenghaziWatchdogs.com website and stop insulting the memory of the brave Americans who were lost there."
No argument from me.
Posted by irisheyes on May 14 2014,12:13 am
I was surprised that they're forming a select committee, a year ago when the subject came up of a select committee to investigate Rep. Issa responded, "You know, let’s not blow things out of proportion. You'll notice that response from Congressman Issa didn't get near as much replays in the media as when Hillary said, "what different does it make at this point?"So May of 2013 Republicans rejected the idea of a select committee, they then took another year to
Posted by Self-Banished on May 14 2014,4:48 am
(irisheyes @ May 14 2014,12:13 am)
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I was surprised that they're forming a select committee, a year ago when the subject came up of a select committee to investigate Rep. Issa responded, "You know, let’s not blow things out of proportion. You'll notice that response from Congressman Issa didn't get near as much replays in the media as when Hillary said, "what different does it make at this point?"
Maybe because with Issa's issues, nobody died?
Posted by irisheyes on May 27 2014,6:21 am
(Self-Banished @ May 14 2014,4:48 am)
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Maybe because with Issa's issues, nobody died?
"Issa's issues"? We're still talking about Benghazi and the quote I mentioned where he said, "Let's not blow things out of proportion" was referring to the Benghazi investigation.
You'll attack Hillary for saying "what difference does it make at this point," but defend Issa for saying "let's not blow things out of proportion". Is it because he's a Republican and so are you?
Posted by Self-Banished on May 27 2014,8:34 am
^^^ as I postedNobody died.
Posted by MADDOG on Jun. 13 2014,9:52 am
Diane Sawyer picks apart Hillary during her interview, but fails to ask the tough questions. Even so, Clinton does her best impersonation of a politician in dodging the questions. Pass the buck is what I saw, and Diane let her.I'd like to know if there are a long list of security threats to our embassies in some other countries, what kind of security do they have as opposed to what Stevens was given in Libya?
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 13 2014,10:40 am
But-but-but,"I'm not a security expert"
Posted by Botto 82 on Jun. 13 2014,10:45 am
(MADDOG @ Jun. 13 2014,9:52 am)
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Diane Sawyer picks apart Hillary during her interview, but fails to ask the tough questions.
Both are card-carrying members of the Council on Foreign Relations.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 18 2014,4:25 am
< http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/17/world/africa/benghazi-suspect-captured/ >Wow, with everything that's going on this almost seems...
Convenient.
Posted by MADDOG on Jun. 18 2014,8:24 am
I think Rory Cooper said it best. QUOTE
While it's great to see they caught the Benghazi suspect, it's important to remember, he wasn't really hiding
< Journalists Haven't Had Trouble Finding Benghazi Suspect Ahmed Abu Khattala >
Posted by alcitizens on Jun. 18 2014,8:53 am
(MADDOG @ Jun. 13 2014,9:52 am)
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Diane Sawyer picks apart Hillary during her interview, but fails to ask the tough questions. Even so, Clinton does her best impersonation of a politician in dodging the questions. Pass the buck is what I saw, and Diane let her.
I'd like to know if there are a long list of security threats to our embassies in some other countries, what kind of security do they have as opposed to what Stevens was given in Libya?
I'd like to know if there are a long list of security threats to our embassies in some other countries, what kind of security do they have as opposed to what Stevens was given in Libya?
FOX News would have asked Hillary why she killed 4 Americans in Benghazi..
FOX News would have asked Hillary why she didn't order a full scale bombing of the radicals at the US Consulate..
Susan Rice stated the only facts known at the time and now the radical Republican right-wing kooks want to create another CONSPIRACY about the arrest of the known killer/planner of the attack in Benghazi..
You people should have learned that voters will not put up with liars like Bush and Cheney anymore.. This is why Hillary Clinton will be the next President of the United States..
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 18 2014,9:05 am
^^*
Posted by Botto 82 on Jun. 18 2014,9:57 am
(alcitizens @ Jun. 18 2014,8:53 am)
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You people should have learned that voters will not put up with liars like Bush and Cheney anymore.
I think the same could be said for Hillary Clinton.
Anyone that thinks she'd be any kind of improvement is likely drinking their own partisan Kool-Aid.
Posted by MADDOG on Jun. 18 2014,11:06 am
I think the plow driver was doing us a favor.
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 18 2014,2:08 pm
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Posted by MADDOG on Jun. 18 2014,3:07 pm
(alcitizens @ Jun. 18 2014,8:53 am)
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Susan Rice stated the only facts known at the time and now the radical Republican right-wing kooks want to create another CONSPIRACY about the arrest of the known killer/planner of the attack in Benghazi..
All your would have/should have statements aren't worth answering.
Susan Rice stated only the facts that she was given perhaps. That's all I'll give her. She was the puppet. The voice of the Lord of Lies. If she was so oblivious to what was really going on she needs to find another job, like back at the U.N.
Some people are sooo gullible, they will believe anything they are told. Others will say anything they are told, truth or not because they have no scruples. Perhaps someone like her could be allowed to make a false statement like that once, but not twice. When she said that Bergdahl served with both "honor and distinction", she lost all credibility.
Which is she?
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 18 2014,3:23 pm
To answer Expat...
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 18 2014,6:33 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 18 2014,10:57 pm
^^^
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 19 2014,8:05 pm
^^^^^ Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 20 2014,2:57 am
^^^
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 20 2014,7:34 am
,,,,
Posted by MADDOG on Jun. 20 2014,9:10 am
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 21 2014,10:02 am
Benghazi another Bush F-up Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 21 2014,11:56 am
(Expatriate @ Jun. 21 2014,10:02 am)
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Benghazi another Bush F-up
Nope, that forever in history belongs to Obama and Hilary.
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 21 2014,12:03 pm
Did you watch the video, what part of it didn’t you understand?
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 21 2014,8:03 pm
^^^ nope, your dumbass vids and pics rarely show up on my iPad or iPhone.
Posted by MADDOG on Jun. 24 2014,10:07 am
More from Blood FeudQUOTE
By 10 p.m. on Sept. 11, 2012, when Hillary Clinton received a call from President Obama, she was one of the most thoroughly briefed officials in Washington on the unfolding disaster in Benghazi, Libya.
She knew that Ambassador Christopher Stevens and a communications operator were dead, and that the attackers had launched a well-coordinated mortar assault on the CIA annex, which would cost the lives of two more Americans.
She had no doubt that a terrorist attack had been launched against America on the anniversary of 9/11. However, when Hillary picked up the phone and heard Obama’s voice, she learned the president had other ideas in mind. With less than two months before Election Day, he was still boasting that he had al Qaeda on the run.
If the truth about Benghazi became known, it would blow that argument out of the water.
“Hillary was stunned when she heard the president talk about the Benghazi attack,” one of her top legal advisers said in an interview. “Obama wanted her to say that the attack had been a spontaneous demonstration triggered by an obscure video on the Internet that demeaned the Prophet Mohammed.”
This adviser continued: “Hillary told Obama, ‘Mr. President, that story isn’t credible. Among other things, it ignores the fact that the attack occurred on 9/11.’ But the president was adamant. He said, ‘Hillary, I need you to put out a State Department release as soon as possible.’”
After her conversation with the president, Hillary called Bill Clinton, who was at his penthouse apartment in the William J. Clinton Presidential Library in Little Rock, and told him what Obama wanted her to do.
“I’m sick about it,” she said, according to the legal adviser, who was filled in on the conversation.
“That story won’t hold up,” Bill said. “I know,” Hillary said. “I told the president that.” “It’s an impossible story,” Bill said. “I can’t believe the president is claiming it wasn’t terrorism. Then again, maybe I can. It looks like Obama isn’t going to allow anyone to say that terrorism has occurred on his watch.”
She knew that Ambassador Christopher Stevens and a communications operator were dead, and that the attackers had launched a well-coordinated mortar assault on the CIA annex, which would cost the lives of two more Americans.
She had no doubt that a terrorist attack had been launched against America on the anniversary of 9/11. However, when Hillary picked up the phone and heard Obama’s voice, she learned the president had other ideas in mind. With less than two months before Election Day, he was still boasting that he had al Qaeda on the run.
If the truth about Benghazi became known, it would blow that argument out of the water.
“Hillary was stunned when she heard the president talk about the Benghazi attack,” one of her top legal advisers said in an interview. “Obama wanted her to say that the attack had been a spontaneous demonstration triggered by an obscure video on the Internet that demeaned the Prophet Mohammed.”
This adviser continued: “Hillary told Obama, ‘Mr. President, that story isn’t credible. Among other things, it ignores the fact that the attack occurred on 9/11.’ But the president was adamant. He said, ‘Hillary, I need you to put out a State Department release as soon as possible.’”
After her conversation with the president, Hillary called Bill Clinton, who was at his penthouse apartment in the William J. Clinton Presidential Library in Little Rock, and told him what Obama wanted her to do.
“I’m sick about it,” she said, according to the legal adviser, who was filled in on the conversation.
“That story won’t hold up,” Bill said. “I know,” Hillary said. “I told the president that.” “It’s an impossible story,” Bill said. “I can’t believe the president is claiming it wasn’t terrorism. Then again, maybe I can. It looks like Obama isn’t going to allow anyone to say that terrorism has occurred on his watch.”
Posted by Liberal on Jun. 24 2014,10:30 am
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A hack returns: Ed Klein's new Benghazi bombshell is garbage
Ed Klein reports on Hillary Clinton and Benghazi, and gets just about everything wrong
< http://www.salon.com/chromeo...garbage >
Ed Klein?
Posted by MADDOG on Jun. 24 2014,10:52 am
Salon? QUOTE
TYPE:News Media
URL:
< http://www.salon.com/ >
Salon is a political liberal and progressive news website, with content updated each day
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< http://www.salon.com/ >
Salon is a political liberal and progressive news website, with content updated each day
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The AllSides Bias RatingTM is:
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< http://www.allsides.com/news-source/saloncom >
Posted by Liberal on Jun. 24 2014,10:55 am
Ed klein?
Posted by Liberal on Jun. 24 2014,11:01 am
Even that junkie Lardbaugh is calling Ed Klein a liar, and Brian Kilmeade the dumbest person on the face of the Earth (present company excluded) questioned the sourcing.< http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily..._really >
Posted by MADDOG on Jun. 24 2014,11:58 am
Wow, that's quite an honor. Almost as brilliant as someone to source Salon.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 03 2014,7:48 pm
Hilary promo photo
Posted by Liberal on Aug. 04 2014,11:45 am
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The House Intelligence Committee is among the many congressional panels to investigate the deadly attack on the U.S. outpost in Benghazi in 2012, and its findings are reportedly complete. The committee’s report is not yet available, but Rep. Mike Thompson (D-Calif.) talked to the San Francisco Chronicle about the results of the inquiry.
The House Intelligence Committee, led by Republicans, has concluded that there was no deliberate wrongdoing by the Obama administration in the 2012 attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans, said Rep. Mike Thompson of St. Helena, the second-ranking Democrat on the committee. […]
Thompson said the report “confirms that no one was deliberately misled, no military assets were withheld and no stand-down order (to U.S. forces) was given.”
The committee agreed Thursday to declassify its report, nearly two years in the making, and the findings will reportedly be available to the public once it’s cleared by intelligence agencies.
Just so we’re clear, this is a Republican-led committee, with GOP members outnumbering Democrats, 12 to 9.
And according to the Chronicle’s report, the committee’s findings are consistent with everything reality has told us all along: “There was no ‘stand-down order’ given to American personnel attempting to offer assistance that evening, no illegal activity or illegal arms transfers occurring by U.S. personnel in Benghazi, and no American was left behind.”
< http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-...rists-0 >
The House Intelligence Committee, led by Republicans, has concluded that there was no deliberate wrongdoing by the Obama administration in the 2012 attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans, said Rep. Mike Thompson of St. Helena, the second-ranking Democrat on the committee. […]
Thompson said the report “confirms that no one was deliberately misled, no military assets were withheld and no stand-down order (to U.S. forces) was given.”
The committee agreed Thursday to declassify its report, nearly two years in the making, and the findings will reportedly be available to the public once it’s cleared by intelligence agencies.
Just so we’re clear, this is a Republican-led committee, with GOP members outnumbering Democrats, 12 to 9.
And according to the Chronicle’s report, the committee’s findings are consistent with everything reality has told us all along: “There was no ‘stand-down order’ given to American personnel attempting to offer assistance that evening, no illegal activity or illegal arms transfers occurring by U.S. personnel in Benghazi, and no American was left behind.”
< http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-...rists-0 >
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 04 2014,5:59 pm
Posted by alcitizens on Aug. 04 2014,10:46 pm
Was there ever a Benghazi Gate? No.. Judge Jeanine Pirro on FOX News is nothing but a Joke..
Posted by Common Citizen on Aug. 05 2014,8:00 pm
In other words, the YouTube video was an honest incompetent mistake.Thompson says the report indicates no deliberate wrong doing. So if not deliberate we can conclude that the wrong doings were born out of incompetence.
Not surprising.
Posted by irisheyes on Aug. 05 2014,11:54 pm
^And yet Republicans were saying the same thing as Susan Rice after Benghazi on the very same TV shows. I guess it's okay for Republicans to make "honest incompetent mistakes" without Issa holding meetings and Judge Jeanine Pirro exposing a cover-up. They've run out of traction on Benghazi, time for another scandal... They've done birth certificates, how about Obama's driver's license? Has anybody checked to see if he lied about his weight or anything like that?
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 06 2014,4:33 am
^^^There's this...< http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2014...nsexual >
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 07 2014,10:40 am
Although the silence may be deafening over at Fox, I can easily wait to see how far the hounds are willing to chase the coon. It seems like it's all or mostly < MSNBC reporting the good job of Bambino >. I'll wait for the reports and/or news from sources other than huff and MSh1t.
Posted by Liberal on Aug. 09 2014,8:04 am
< http://mediamatters.org/embed...ireport >Will this do, or do you need to hear it from Beck and Limbaugh too?
Do you republitards ever get bored with being wrong?
Posted by Common Citizen on Aug. 12 2014,12:42 pm
(irisheyes @ Aug. 05 2014,11:54 pm)
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^And yet Republicans were saying the same thing as Susan Rice after Benghazi on the very same TV shows. I guess it's okay for Republicans to make "honest incompetent mistakes" without Issa holding meetings and Judge Jeanine Pirro exposing a cover-up.
They've run out of traction on Benghazi, time for another scandal... They've done birth certificates, how about Obama's driver's license? Has anybody checked to see if he lied about his weight or anything like that?
They've run out of traction on Benghazi, time for another scandal... They've done birth certificates, how about Obama's driver's license? Has anybody checked to see if he lied about his weight or anything like that?
Say what you want but you'll soon be throwing Obama under the bus too. Just as soon as NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, and MSNBC endorse the next (D)onk presidential candidate. i.e. Hillary Clinton
Isn't she already throwing him under the bus? Wonder why now?
Posted by irisheyes on Aug. 13 2014,4:24 pm
(Common Citizen @ Aug. 12 2014,12:42 pm)
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Say what you want but you'll soon be throwing Obama under the bus too. Just as soon as NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, and MSNBC endorse the next (D)onk presidential candidate. i.e. Hillary Clinton
I don't pay much attention to the networks you mentioned, even Meet the Press has become a joke. They're all focusing on things like birth certificates and other manufactured scandals that FOX and Rush talk about.
Haven't you heard, Obama is not running for a 3rd term. I don't need to "throw anyone under the bus," he's headed for Presidential libraries and speech tours.
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Isn't she already throwing him under the bus? Wonder why now?
Sounds like you're the one focused on all that, we should be talking about the real issues. The economy, the budget, the wars, etc.
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 13 2014,9:15 pm
(irisheyes @ Aug. 13 2014,4:24 pm)
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Haven't you heard, Obama is not running for a 3rd term. I don't need to "throw anyone under the bus," he's headed for Presidential libraries and speech tours.
Ah yes, the Obama prez. Li-berry
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Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 13 2014,9:22 pm
(irisheyes @ Aug. 13 2014,4:24 pm)
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Sounds like you're the one focused on all that, we should be talking about the real issues. The economy, the budget, the wars, etc.
I totally agree,
So when is the Prez going to start addressing these issues???
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 18 2014,10:17 am
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< Accuracy In Media > August 12, 2014
Over and over again, Ambassador Stevens, his Regional Security Officer (RSO) Eric Nordstrom, and others warned that they were increasingly at risk and pleaded for additional security resources. Instead, security methodically was stripped away from Benghazi. The Blue Mountain security outfit (with links to both MI 6 and the CIA) hired to guard the SMC was unarmed, according to Nordstrom—on State Department orders. RSO Nordstrom warned on 21 July that the risk to U.S. officials in Libya was “High.” Gen. Ham either knew or should have known all of this, too.
If none of this was “imminent” or “specific” enough, it got worse. Cairo Embassy next door in Egypt had been monitoring Gama’at al-Islamiyya and Muslim Brotherhood plans to stage a big protest on September 11 to demand the release from U.S. federal prison of the Blind Sheikh (who’s serving a life sentence for directing the 1993 World Trade Center attack). By 10 September, however, the State Department knew that the focus in Cairo had switched over to an amateur YouTube video about the life of Muhammad. The warning went out to the White House, Intelligence Community, Department of Defense, AFRICOM, and diplomatic posts across the Muslim world that anger was building over that video and that the 9/11 anniversary would be an explosive one. Everyone went to an elevated alert status no later than the morning of 11 September 2012. Gen. Ham, along with all the other combatant commanders (who, inexplicably, had been called to the Pentagon for a meeting that 9/11, instead of being at their posts), undoubtedly knew this, too. In fact, he was the one who had to give the elevated alert order to AFRICOM.
The final—and extremely specific—warning came from al-Qa’eda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri, who issued an explicit attack order in a videotaped message posted to jihadi websites on 10 September 2012. That message called on Libyans to attack Americans in revenge for the CIA drone killing of his deputy, Abu Yahya al-Libi, some months before. There could hardly have been a more explicit warning that American interests in Libya were being targeted for attack by al-Qa’eda in conjunction with the 9/11 anniversary date. This, too, Gen. Ham either knew or should have known. It was his professional responsibility to know.
All of which leaves us with the unwelcome realization that Gen. Carter Ham has been either exceptionally forgetful, exceptionally oblivious, or less than fully truthful in his Congressional testimony and public statements about what he knew about Benghazi and when he knew it.
It falls to Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-SC) and his Select Committee on Benghazi to subpoena the General and ask him under oath a number of very specific questions. Americans will be watching.
Over and over again, Ambassador Stevens, his Regional Security Officer (RSO) Eric Nordstrom, and others warned that they were increasingly at risk and pleaded for additional security resources. Instead, security methodically was stripped away from Benghazi. The Blue Mountain security outfit (with links to both MI 6 and the CIA) hired to guard the SMC was unarmed, according to Nordstrom—on State Department orders. RSO Nordstrom warned on 21 July that the risk to U.S. officials in Libya was “High.” Gen. Ham either knew or should have known all of this, too.
If none of this was “imminent” or “specific” enough, it got worse. Cairo Embassy next door in Egypt had been monitoring Gama’at al-Islamiyya and Muslim Brotherhood plans to stage a big protest on September 11 to demand the release from U.S. federal prison of the Blind Sheikh (who’s serving a life sentence for directing the 1993 World Trade Center attack). By 10 September, however, the State Department knew that the focus in Cairo had switched over to an amateur YouTube video about the life of Muhammad. The warning went out to the White House, Intelligence Community, Department of Defense, AFRICOM, and diplomatic posts across the Muslim world that anger was building over that video and that the 9/11 anniversary would be an explosive one. Everyone went to an elevated alert status no later than the morning of 11 September 2012. Gen. Ham, along with all the other combatant commanders (who, inexplicably, had been called to the Pentagon for a meeting that 9/11, instead of being at their posts), undoubtedly knew this, too. In fact, he was the one who had to give the elevated alert order to AFRICOM.
The final—and extremely specific—warning came from al-Qa’eda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri, who issued an explicit attack order in a videotaped message posted to jihadi websites on 10 September 2012. That message called on Libyans to attack Americans in revenge for the CIA drone killing of his deputy, Abu Yahya al-Libi, some months before. There could hardly have been a more explicit warning that American interests in Libya were being targeted for attack by al-Qa’eda in conjunction with the 9/11 anniversary date. This, too, Gen. Ham either knew or should have known. It was his professional responsibility to know.
All of which leaves us with the unwelcome realization that Gen. Carter Ham has been either exceptionally forgetful, exceptionally oblivious, or less than fully truthful in his Congressional testimony and public statements about what he knew about Benghazi and when he knew it.
It falls to Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-SC) and his Select Committee on Benghazi to subpoena the General and ask him under oath a number of very specific questions. Americans will be watching.
Posted by irisheyes on Aug. 19 2014,10:47 am
(Self-Banished @ Aug. 13 2014,9:22 pm)
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(irisheyes @ Aug. 13 2014,4:24 pm)
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Sounds like you're the one focused on all that, we should be talking about the real issues. The economy, the budget, the wars, etc.
I totally agree,
So when is the Prez going to start addressing these issues???
Notice, you quickly turned the topic into blaming Obama. Which is fine, but it seems to make my point that people don't want to discuss the real issues.
How about this, what would you do if you were POTUS for the remainder of the term? Remember, it has to pass a Republican House and a Democrat Senate.
As for the budget, scaling back the wars along with ending some of the Bush tax cuts has helped. The only thing that will balance the budget is: (1) ending the wars (without starting new ones), (2) the economy continuing to improve, (3) NOT letting the next President (or ANY President) implement tax cuts without balancing the budget first.
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 19 2014,12:31 pm
Me? POTUS? I'd just use my pen and my phone and pass whatever I wanted to I'm not the one who brought up Bammy. I just commented.
Posted by Liberal on Aug. 21 2014,8:32 am
Latest Benghazi stories from Fox new. < http://www.foxnews.com/topics/world/benghazi-attack.htm >
Posted by alcitizens on Aug. 25 2014,5:29 pm
(MADDOG @ Aug. 18 2014,10:17 am)
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< http://www.aim.org/guest-c...n-libya >
I can't believe this stupid topic keeps getting brought up when we could be discussing something important like dead ends that don't get snow removal by Bancroft Township during the winter..
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 26 2014,8:53 am
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I can't believe this stupid topic keeps getting brought up
< Like Lois Lerner emails? >
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 06 2014,9:07 am
SB, just reintroduced your 13 hours comment over here.Of course I only watched bits and pieces of it because the findings by the Bambino family sock puppets found that nothing was done wrong. No one was told to stand down and nothing could have been done to save these four men's lives.
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 06 2014,11:18 am
Either FOX just found the smoking gun that implicates the current administration, or those guys are selling a book. I didn't watch it but how many of the 3 claimed to be "independent" or nonpartisan? You Teapublicans should spend more money investigating Benghazi and then come out with a big report in November and claim that all the previous nonpartisan committee investigations were wrong and Benghazi was really Obama's fault. I'm sure that will get you a ton of independent voters.
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 06 2014,11:29 am
^^*Teapublican??? Is that the secret word? Like on PeeWee's Playhouse?
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 06 2014,11:32 am
Sometimes it's just making < hard choices >.
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 06 2014,1:34 pm
^^^some pretty brutal reviews,Probably deserved it
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 08 2014,11:48 am
This is from Greta's Friday commentary. FYI, I never saw it until today on you tube.I don't think Greta is writing a book.
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I'd say a real threat to the world are morons, ones who still proudly display their Hope and Change bumper stickers - Botto 2014
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 08 2014,3:51 pm
QUOTEI'd say a real threat to the world are morons, ones who still proudly display their Hope and Change bumper stickers - Botto 2014
I thought about Botto's remark today, I saw a few bumper stickers, it seems to be less common as of late.
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 08 2014,4:10 pm
If your sticker is too hard to peel off, just put one over the top of it.
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 08 2014,4:14 pm
or this one.
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 08 2014,5:32 pm
I like the first one best.
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 18 2014,5:05 pm
Sometimes it turns out the game was fixed.QUOTE
Jordan: “Mr. Keil, what’s your overall impression of the ARB report?”
Keil: “Mr. [Mark] Sullivan and I testified before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. Ambassador [Thomas] Pickering referred to the ARB as being ‘fiercely independent.’ In that same hearing, Admiral Mullen admitted to Oversight and Government Reform that he was reporting on ARB proceedings to the senior staff of the State Department outside of the precepts and the requirements of being a member of the ARB. I don’t think that fits anyone’s definition of being ‘fiercely independent.’”
Jordan: “So you don’t think it was independent at all?”
Keil: “Not based on what was…”
Jordan: “Frankly I share your belief…”
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 23 2014,11:14 pm
Who do you think can beat Hillary Clinton in 2016? Please, please tell me..Republicans will soon say that the Americans getting their heads lopped off by ISIS is Obama's fault..
Bush: Thousands and Thousands of Americans Dead, even more are crippled for life for serving in the U.S. military
Obama: 4
I'll give you the 4 that died in Benghazi is the fault of extremists that Obama and Hillary didn't personally go in with grenades and machine guns over their shoulders to defeat..
I don't know if its just me, but I think this topic is moronic and makes Republicans look really kooky..
Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 08 2014,9:08 am
For those of you who missed this interview last night. Posted by Botto 82 on Oct. 08 2014,9:36 am
Is this about getting to the truth of the matter, or about discrediting Hillary? Because I can assure you that had this occurred on a Republcan President's watch, the tone at FAUXNews would be very different. I'm no fan of Hillary by any stretch of the imagination, but it's fun to watch the Right squirm like a toad in a hot skillet, when they know full well that they have NO candidate that can stop her.
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 08 2014,12:00 pm
Hillary for president!Brought to you by the LCD voters of America
Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 08 2014,12:32 pm
(Botto 82 @ Oct. 08 2014,9:36 am)
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Is this about getting to the truth of the matter, or about discrediting Hillary? Because I can assure you that had this occurred on a Republcan President's watch, the tone at FAUXNews would be very different.
I think I already know the gest of the truth or more importantly the lies told. Obama and Hillary are neither good liars. Stonewalling around answers has been done over this issue for years now.
Had this occurred during a republicans' watch, we wouldn't have had to worry about what Fox did. Every other network would have been all over it long ago.
< Panetta > did his best to do anything but shoot our commander in crime boss between the eyes. Even now, CBS has opened up to this turn of admissions.
Posted by irisheyes on Oct. 09 2014,6:40 am
The O'Reilly interview reminds me of this debate moment. < Romney caught in "Act of Terror" lie. > But much like George Castanza, "it's not a lie if you believe it." The O'Reilly interview with Panetta is still rehashing the same storyline with a new twist, a few guys selling a book cite an unnamed CIA official, and clearly Obama and the director of CIA are to blame according to O'Reilly.
Not only is the attack a gate, but the suffix the President used the day after is a scandal; act of terror instead of terrorIST.
< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeVEUNI-Cuo >
^Can you imagine the outrage if the media and Democrats in Congress would have attacked Bush over the wording he used above, and if John Kerry would have counted how long it took for him to say the word "terrorIST" instead of "act of terror"?
Much like the border patrol agent who was killed, we never hear the FOX and talk radio pundits talk about the actual killer, but we repeatedly hear about how Holder and Obama are to blame for it. That's not news, it's purely commentary, a free political advertisement.
Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 09 2014,11:14 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 09 2014,11:52 am
^^^Guess you need the fire below the dem statement to "cook" those numbers
Posted by Common Citizen on Oct. 10 2014,8:36 am
SB, I don't think he knows let alone understands how those numbers are derived and what they truly measure.I notice that the labor force participation rate is conveniently side-stepped by the donks because it doesn't make for good press.
< Bureau of Labor Statistics >
Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
Posted by Botto 82 on Oct. 10 2014,9:06 am
Each party has its faithful. There are still die-hard Vikings fans in my midst.
Chew on that, for a while...
Posted by Liberal on Oct. 10 2014,9:56 am
It has nothing to do with parties. You act like the party tells us how to vote in reality the party represents our position. The fact that the tea party exists is proof of that, the kookiest people on the right didn't think the Republicans were kooky enough so they split off and created the tea party.The same thing would happen if the democrats started to get more conservative the more liberal democrats wouldn't support the party and would likely find a more liberal party to support.
Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 10 2014,10:51 am
CC Quote:QUOTE
I don't think he knows let alone understands how those numbers are derived and what they truly measure.
there's jobs out there, the Boomer's are retiring in mass, the problem the gen Xers just don't have the smarts to take over!
prime example:
Posted by Common Citizen on Oct. 10 2014,11:00 pm
So what is it? Obama's policies or the boomer's retiring? You talk out both sides of your mouth.
Everyone knows the boomer's blew what the greatest generation built. Now it's up to future generations to pick up the pieces and clean up the mess your generation is leaving behind.
Thanks.